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Old September 13th, 2011, 01:36 PM
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How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

So assuming you attend a pre-drafted army tourney or other event that allows C3V units, how will affect the metagame? For the sake of this discussion, I will define the metagame as "What armies people bring based on trying to counter what they think the best players will bring."

Someone chimed in on whether or not to allow C3V units at NHSD, and this was my response:

My thinking is, if you don't want to play the C3V units you don't have to, so there is not much harm in allowing them - but I guess everyone theoretically has to think about how to counter the C3V units as they affect the metagame, so it could make a difference. I just don't see most of the units released so far as game breakers, except maybe the Marro Gnids who can take down heroes easily so people might be slightly less inclined to bring hero heavy armies if C3V was allowed. The other C3V units just seem to bolster lower rated units up.

We will have to wait to see the other units that are released, but how do you think the C3V units would affect the armies people bring?

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

I expect it will be similar to the way it's always been at those tournaments: Something new comes out, a couple people bring it, most people don't.

I don't think the long term effect of the SoV or C3V projects will have a significant impact on the top tier of the metagame. There *may* be some unit we produce/approve like the Greenscales, where at first blush it appears to produce a really competitive army, but in the end it's just on the good side of the middle tier.

I *hope* we don't push the metagame harder than that.

Otherwise, as I said, it'll be as it was with all the new waves that came out before. Some people got 'em and want to bring 'em, varying from region to region and tournament to tournament.

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

I'm not sure what impact they'll truly have, but I can say this:

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

Thanks Dad_Scaper for you assessment, as I think the C3V goal is to bring up lesser played units and continue making fun units that are competitive but do not change the metagame too much. However, to really affect the metagame, maybe you could make a unit that has extra attack against units with scatter or defense aura powers

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The metagame will be changed by some of the C3V units coming out.
I would like to see some more C3V designers/playtesters chime in (although they know how soon to be release units will affect it as well).
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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

The thing I've noticed in my games with the Gnids is that the most used figure in Heroscape (aka Raelin) is brought down a peg. Her defense 3 is a fairly easy target fro the 2 Attack Gnids and reducing her stats hurts your opponent's strategy. If you use Tul-Bak-Ra to teleport in the Gnids, its hard to avoid her early demise

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

I assume the question is not "Which C3V figures will be usable in a tournament?", but "Will the current balance of power of the strongest armies be upset by C3V's addition?"

The short answer is that it's hard to say. Something like Zaeus+G'Nators+rats might be really good, but it's not doing anything to the metagame that Q9 didn't already do. A lot of people seem pretty high on the gnids, but most of the popular metagame options have some way of dealing with them. Basically, even the strong options don't seem like they are particularly punitive to the current monsters of the metagame.

The addition of Omegacron is interesting because it puts the repulsors into an army that can win games against non-soulborg armies. So it's possible that this hurts 'trons or rats or majors just because they are more likely to run into repulsors.

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

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The thing I've noticed in my games with the Gnids is that the most used figure in Heroscape (aka Raelin) is brought down a peg. Her defense 3 is a fairly easy target fro the 2 Attack Gnids and reducing her stats hurts your opponent's strategy. If you use Tul-Bak-Ra to teleport in the Gnids, its hard to avoid her early demise
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A bit of a revival but the Cultist could be game changing at tournements


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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

What about the Dreadguls? I don't think Dreadguls paired with Valguard would be too different than Heavy Gruts or Knights or whatever melee-bonding base for an army. I don't think Dreadguls with Guilty is too different from MBS and the Romans. But Dreadguls and Jotun might be something new that poses a problem. On the other hand, Jotun is basically a huge, expensive figure with a special attack, so that army is similar to a Greenscales and Dragon army. Maybe that doesn't make such a difference after all....


EDIT: It would be interesting to create a list of army composition types and see what the results are. Something like: 4-man bonding melee with Hero, 3-man bonding melee with Special, 4-man range with Raelin, etc. As long as an army containing new C3V figures fits into one of these formats (roughly), it wouldn't change anything too much, other than expanding the pool of figures that could be included in "better" armies (ex. as explained above, an army of Dreadguls with Jotun isn't really much different than Greenscales with a Dragon). Figures that might need to be avoided would be figures that compose a new category of unit function all by themselves (like Raelin).

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Any tournament goers notice a shift in what people bring to counter any C3V units/armies?
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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

What a worthy necro!

I will say that what I see is people bringing a constant variety of C3V units. People like playing with the new things.

The ones I think that have had more staying power than others, in our area, are the Dreadguls and the Incendiborgs. But we see a *lot* of C3V, in my area, of all different types. Certainly nothing threatening the metagame apple cart at the highest levels.

I hope my Alternate Sculpts thread will encourage people to bring some of our older designs. I'd like to bring the Gnids to something soon, given that I can just use Nagrubs instead.

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Re: How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

I missed this one the first time! Good read!

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