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Re: Justice League Design Discussion *Brainstorming*
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Here's a for instance: I can currently make an Avengers team without Captain America, Ms. Marvel, or Wasp 2.0. If I want, it can include Green Lantern, Flash, and Superman and be the Avengers. How do I know? Because I put them on the battlefield and I called them the Avengers. Having Captain America, Ms. Marvel, and Wasp doesn't ruin that. They just give you options for adding synergies that flow through more iconic members. We'd be doing the same thing. And if you drafted Martian Manhunter with glyphs for Flash, Green Arrow, and Batman, and wanted to throw in Thor and Daredevil, nothing in our proposed system ruins that either. Or you could draft the other Martian Manhunter without the glyphs and do the same thing. We're talking about adding options, not taking them away. If anything, the system Sock and I are proposing is a lot more open-ended than the marker system that was voted down, because it only depends on bringing a single figure in to work (Martian Manhunter 2.0) and then he has several options for who he can use to further that synergy. The marker system really asks you to draft three specific figures, with no flexibility, as the core of your army. Sure, you can leave some of the synergies off the table, but you could also draft three Martian Manhunter Justice League Strategy Glyphs and only use one or two of them if you like. It's no different. Quote:
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I'm just perplexed by you guys who think that adding new designs and new synergies somehow limits your options, when it really increases them. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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Since I've clarified the theme, it's just a matter of figuring out which mechanics best express that theme. Maybe back more to Aggressive Sock's take where the powers essentially become powers on the cards of the named figures for the remainder of the game, ala Doctor Doom? C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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I feel there's still confusion from your end though. We don't have to have 3 glyphs on Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, and Batman. Not at all. In fact, I don't believe that was ever stated as such. I know I said "it's possible Cyborg could start with 2 glyphs, just in case you don't want to have to draft MM every time", but these are all just hypothetical. Batman definitely wouldn't be able to.
Martian Manhunter could start with 2, and Cyborg could start with 1. It's all up for debate, and dependent on who we want to redesign. As for this: Quote:
The synergy in theme, and out of theme, are still just as present, if not multiplied due to more powers being offered here. As for the 2nd paragraph. I bolded that first sentence. This is EXACTLY why we love this Glyph route. You can draft your army, and you don't always have to receive/choose the same bonuses. The Justice League doesn't always have to rely on the same static bonuses each and every time they play. You don't have to design a team around something like Captain America's +1 attack and defense at the cost of a marker. You can sometimes, and then other times you can plan for a different bonus to aid your group. Need a d20 boost? Get the Martian Manhunter glyph. Need mobility? Get Flash's glyph. Need Order Markers re-arranged? Get Batman. Want elemental tiles? Get Zatanna's glyph. Want an initiative boost? Get Superman. You plan it out based on what you want for that game, and what powers best supplement the team you are playing. It doesn't have to be all Justice League, but they will be bringing a wide array of powers to choose from if you draft that specific figure, and then you can make all sorts of armies to benefit from it. It is the definition of fresh and new each time. Whereas with the markers, you're literally forced to have the same bonus each time, regardless if it fits your team or not. So your building options are actually less. |
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Re: Justice League Design Discussion *Brainstorming*
We all realise that you CAN draft guys like Thor, or Daredevil, but with this glyph system you don't get anything for drafting them, and those guys don't receive any specific bonuses from the glyphs so most people won't draft them.
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Re: Justice League Design Discussion *Brainstorming*
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Also, you're stating that "they don't receive active benefits from the synergy, so they won't draft them". This is no different than: Would you draft non-Asgardians with Odin? Would you draft non-Adventurers with Mr. Fantastic? Would you draft non-Mutants with Professor X? Would you draft non-Cybernetic Repair units in that synergy? Would you draft non-Kryptonians with Zod? Would you draft non-Undead with Dracula? Would you draft non-Creatures with Frankenstein? Would you draft non-Champions with Mongul? Would you draft non-Titans with Nightwing? Would you draft non-Legionnaires with Cosmic Boy? Would you draft non-Fighters/Crime Fighters with Luke Cage? Would you draft non-Outlaws with Scandal Savage? Would you draft non-Mutants with Apocalypse? Would you draft non-Outcasts with Mystique II? Would you draft non-Patriotic/Soldiers with Uncle Sam? Would you draft non-Black Lanterns with Black Hand? Would you draft more than 5 units with Captain America? Do you understand why that statement is just silly? The glyph system allows more flexibility and draftability, because it's not 1 static requirement when drafting your army. Your bonus is whatever you choose it to be. So many more figures become draftable, depending on which direction you take that game. |
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Bingo. Of course you can still draft MM2.0 with Thor instead of Superman, your army just suffers for is because Superman is specifically named on MM team glyph card and Thor is not. It would be like drafting Prof. X without any mutants. I can do it, but why would I ever want to?
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Personally, I don't favor the glyph approach whatsoever. As a glyph, they could be stole by units such as Vulture or Shadow Thief, and IMO, synergies that build a team like the JLA should not be able to be stolen.
Thus, my favored approach so far would have to be the marker/class approach. |
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Best of luck A_S and Bats. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you.
I am simply not helping your cause and getting overly frustrated. I will try to send some PMs, perhaps that tactic will be more beneficial. That is a great point Karat and one based on fact. I think something could be worked out mechanically though to make them thief-proof. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Re: Justice League Design Discussion *Brainstorming*
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Batman II, Quasar, and Red Skull have 8. Batman II, Brainiac 5, Red Skull, Captain Marvel have 10. What's your point? Is that really the denial for something fresh, new, and offering creative experiences each time you play(as you suggested you wanted)? |
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