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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Xundar, the Shadow Binder, the Shadow Fiend, and the Shadow Hound have been removed by the submitter's request. It was looking unlikely the Shadow Fiend was going to pass United Fanscape Review, so Sir Heroscape would like to rework before resubmitting the faction.
On a more positive note, Masha Shingai passed United Fanscape Review and moves forward in the process. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Agrah Fenh by
@superfrog
So if this guy becomes canon, does that mean all Icarians have a long, creepy tongue? Or is this guy just special? Man, the far-reaching implications here are astounding. Balance My main comparison point for Fenh was fellow 60-pointer Darrak Ambershard. Their attack and defense are the same stat-wise. Ambershard can increase his attack to 6 with a Sneak Attack, while Fenh has two ways to increase his attack -- either attacking a dragon (increase to 5) or having 3 wounds on his card (+1 skull ~ slightly less than 6 attack). Fenh has 6 life, more than Ambershard’s 4, but Hide in Darkness helps the dwarf have similar survivability (depending on maps, special attacks, etc., but it’s comparable). They also both help squads. Ambershard helps Axegrinders by providing a cheap bonding option that hits hard, but when unused lets them move faster. Fenh doesn’t bond, but when engaged gives his cultists +2 move, which is huge for Nhah Scirh who already are fast with a limited Disengage. The downside is that you need to use order markers on Fenh to get him into position, which will be addressed more in playability, but on paper Fenh has both a powerful cheerleading ability and potential for strong attacks -- a strong 60-pointer, but not significantly overpowered. Theme Fenh does a great job of being a cultist leader who leads by example, not from behind. His powers want him to be engaged and active in the battle, from a meta standpoint creating a shark/cheerleader hybrid. It’s a super combination and fitting for a fanatical dragon-killing zealot, and the left- and right-side stats fit the design well. The mini itself is Nhah Scirh-y enough to carry the theme on the board. While his skin and clothing are a bit different from the other Icarians, he fits in well with them. The sword is particularly wicked, great for a dragon slayer. Creativity Hybrid roles like a sharky cheerleader aren’t pursued enough, in my opinion. Occult Zeal is a neat twist on movement buffs, requiring a lead from the front strategy. Martyr’s Fervor is a powerful attack boost as he takes wounds, and a good new take on other “I get stronger the more damage I take” powers. Dragonkind Enemy is reused from the Nhah Scirh and is fitting. Having two different powers to affect the attack stat is a little unusual since cards usually try to keep that to one power, but not terribly distracting. Playability As I mentioned, Agrah Fenh looks to have a lot going for him as a 60 point addition to a cultist army. Giving +2 move to his homies is a significant boost, and he has potential to deal a lot of damage. This all is kept in check by the requirement to actively put order markers on him to give him the activations he needs to fulfill either of his roles as a shark or cheerleader, and that’s where things get messy. I began playtesting Fenh fully expecting some challenging-yet-fun games where order marker management is crucial. While the challenge was there, the fun, unfortunately, was not. Playing Fenh is difficult, but getting much success out of him is dependent almost completely on your opponent. As a single melee unit that needs to be engaged for any of his powers to go off, Fenh is easy to avoid when playing against him. When looking for enemies to engage, the other player could simply keep their figures out of reach, or at least in a spot where Fenh would have to go to crazy lengths to engage anything. If Fenh did overextend like that, then he was easily surrounded and killed. If played conservatively, order markers on Fenh were spent not developing the rest of your army, giving your opponent board advantage. Either way was a lose scenario. Another option was to keep Fenh and the cultists in a group, usually with Raelin backing. He could then engage while in Raelin’s aura and force your opponent to have to choose between Fenh and the now-speedy cultists. Except, it still wasn’t much of a choice for the opponent. Again, order markers used on Fenh here usually resulted in the opponent getting board control, and in so doing could either get to where they could easily kill Fenh if desired, or, more usually, ignore him and block the cultists from using their extra move effectively, making the bonus irrelevant since they could engage with normal move but were blocked from getting height. When playing defensively, the cultists didn’t want to leave Raelin’s aura anyway, and going offensive only gave a couple of good attacks before the still-better board control of the opponent won the day. Playing against Fenh, I was happy when he was used instead of the Nhah Scirh since one attack of 4 wasn’t as intimidating as 4 attacks of 3. Even when playing a dragon, one attack of 5 wasn’t nearly as good as probably at least 2 attacks of 4 on the dragon and two attacks of 3 on support units. I could always ignore Fenh, limiting him from getting the extra skull, until I felt otherwise safe and then kill him in a couple of easy turns. The Fenh player never felt as good taking turns with Fenh as they would have if they just took turns with the squads, and generally wished the 60 points had been spent on something else. 60 points isn’t huge, but it’s enough that you want it to contribute to the battle. Fenh just always felt like a hole in the player’s army for the opponent to exploit, and I didn’t like the success of Fenh being more dependent on my opponent’s play than my own. Summary Agrah Fenh combines aggressive and cheerleader play into a unique and dynamic design. I like the potential on paper, but unfortunately the powers never shined and I always found myself unsatisfied with it in gameplay. I vote Nay to induct Agrah Fenh into the Soldiers of Valhalla. Monthly Utah Tournaments in SLC!!
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Thanks for the reviews, gents.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
I would like to officially submit Clayton Pierce. This is a unit that has been worked on as a group in the heroscapers discord (link in my signature!) since December of last year, and we think he's at a stage where we can submit him. We know that cowboy synergy has been an anticipated (and sometimes controversial) aspect of VC, and we think that Clayton delivers on that theme and mechanics in a unique and interesting way. The figure used is "Sheriff Steve Rogers" which is very common on the usual sites. Availability will not be a problem. Credits: Original idea and some mechanical/creative input: Me Lots of mechanical/creative work: @NecroBlade and @Just_a_Bill Majority of the playtesting: Necroblade and Superfrog Some feedback, assorted help and input: All_Your_Pie, Flameslayer, Astroking Late stage guidance and input: Superfrog, dok Let me know if I forgot you. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Hmm, not loving both powers doing the 'per OM number' bit for some reason I can't quite express. I'll think on it a spell.
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I have 2 things that throw me off with Clayton. The first is simple, he can't activate Shootout, nor can he be activated by Shootout, which is odd, since he's the one with the ability. I believe this is to force order marker management, but it seems a little forced, and an unnecessary limitation, that he can't at least be activated by it. I can understand, though I don't think it's necessary, that you would want to keep Clayton from starting his own Shootout, but I don't see a reason he should be restricted from being activated by a Shootout once it is started by another Unique Lawman.
I think someone might have brought this up in the Pre-SoV, but the second issue I have with Clayton in his current form, is that the Common Lawman Hero inside the C3V won't work with him at all. I see no reason Posse shouldn't be able to at least move Common and Unique Lawman Heros just the same. Shootout probably shouldn't activate off of a Common Lawman, but once it is activated, I don't know why you couldn't let the Common Lawmen be activated by Shootout. Without being in the C3V, or seeing the design for the Common Lawman I realize that there could be a reason not to include the Common Lawman, and if this is the case, just say so, and I'll drop this point altogether. My Custom Designs.
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Sheriff's Posse is quite a mouthful. The whole power has only two periods.
Clayton is within clear sight of himself? Or no? Why Valiant instead of, say, Resolute? When I think of cowboy heroes I think of grit and determination rather than straight valor. Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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I actually never really gave any input on the left box, but I agree that Resolute feels more Lawman-y than Valiant. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Warning: long post.
--------- Yeah, I appreciate the concern about Common Lawmen, but it's just speculation at this point. Some people who worked on this custom will remember that I said CP must be able to "work alongside" the Common Lawman, but I never meant that to imply that Posse or Shootout must include commons. I think this design leaves plenty of space, and I'll leave it at that. --------- I like Jandar customs, and I like figures that are Valiant. I've liked that part of this design since I first saw it. --------- I think my favorite version of CP was the previous version, where he got to move any Lawman with an OM on its card. But there is a certain symmetry here, which I'd like to try out for myself. --------- My understanding is that CP is (supposed to be) able to start a Shootout and take a turn in a Shootout. Probably needs that Sonlen sentence. --------- I'm a bit concerned that I was listed as doing the "majority" of the testing. I know NB tested the current version and was quite happy with it, but I only ran three tests on the card two versions ago. Perhaps you're just being nice, though --------- Maybe a shoutout to Sam Sixkiller would be appropriate for the nomination post as well? --------- I checked availability. Troll and Toad has 199 in stock for $0.49. I think that qualifies --------- Okay, enough rambling. I like the concept, I'm content on the execution, I'd like to test it. to review Clayton Pierce |
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The other part is I just don't like how the powers sort of work the same, but not quite. It makes for a lot of text and it feels kinda inelegant and potentially confusing. Also a bit weird to me that the movement power is so much more restricted than the attacking power, if anything I'd expect the reverse. IDK, I just think the design would benefit from either a simpler movement power or rolling the two powers into one unified power using bullet points. It's just a little discordant to me at the moment. My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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