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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
There's definitely weirdness in a Mephisto mirror match. Do we want to specify that it's a Deal Marker from this card, or is it OK for either Mephisto to cash out the other Mephisto's deals?
Then, there's the other powers that place figures after destruction. We have some established protocols for these. There's basically two cases. The first case is when the power that triggers is also from a card in your army. This happens in a couple cases:
The second case is when it's an opponent's card that has the other power. I see three such cases:
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
Love having Contact work when you receive wounds as opposed to working if your destroyed. Also I agree it should say a marker from this card, I didn't think of mirroring.
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
Great analysis, dok!
Not sure where I stand on Mephisto using another Mephisto's markers in a mirror match .... It seems more fair/cleaner for them to each only use their own, but also harder to track. What do folks think? Quote:
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I'd volunteer to do some if I weren't still in a different state than my Scape. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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Same with me. I won't be of much use on the testing front for a while.
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
OK, I gave him a test run. I played Blood Contract as whenever he takes a wound instead of destroyed. Everything else is as in the SP.
Mephisto & Green Arrow(150) vs. Kraven, Scorpion, & Grey Gargoyle. Winner: GA (full), Mephisto (11 wounds, 2 Life left) The change to Blood Contract makes for some interesting decisions and strategies. You have to decide if the wounds you are taking are worth breaking a Deal over. Mephisto first made a Deal with Kraven who immediately wounded Mephisto for 3 wounds. Now I could have given those to Kraven but the Deal would have been broken without ever using Time to Collect. So I decided I would keep taking wounds until I absolutely had to use Blood Contract to protect Mephisto. The dice were hot for Mephisto, outside of missing two TtC rolls. He was dealing skulls but was getting worn down. At one point Mephisto had 9 wounds and the other team is at full strength though he has a Deal with both Kraven and Scorpion. And there lies the crux with Deal with the Devil. Yes you have fairly strong mind control but they also have free will and all their Life. You really want to transfer at least 3 wounds from Blood Contract or you are leaving them too strong and no longer bonded by the Deal. I think 4 Life Heroes will be prime Targets as you will have a better chance of destroying them with Blood Contract and then not have to worry about them. High Life figures and especially healers will be a bit riskier. I think Sabertooth would not be a great choice, as you may not be able to kill him again. So back to the game. I was not sure how to handle the situation. I decided to send Mephisto after Grey Gargoyle but not to make a Deal. I was worried I might be forced to release him after taking a single wound, leaving him too strong to defeat. Mephisto gets lucky, he uses Scorpion to inflict 3 wounds on Kraven who then attacks Mephisto doing 3 wounds. Mephisto transfers the wounds with Blood Contract and destroys Kraven. After that it was a simple matter to move Scorpion to low ground and lucky enough rolls 6 out of 7 skulls, causing 4 wounds to Scorpion, it was over then. Overall Mephisto is fun to play if you like strategy and decisions. Choosing your victims for Deal with the Devil and when to use Blood Contract is critical. In hindsight, I think I should have not made a deal with Kraven and instead made one with Grey Gargoyle as GG has one less life than Kraven. I really questioned if he was worth even 350 at one point. Having to re-destroy figures almost felt like more of a curse to Mephisto when he had 9 wounds and his enemies had none. I would stick with the power set with the change to Blood Contract and do some heavy playtesting. I know my match could have been a lot closer if it were not for the hot/lucky dice. Nice design.
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A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey Last edited by Tornado; January 17th, 2014 at 04:48 PM. |
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
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Yes. I thought he may have to finish off the opposition but Mephisto's hot dice proved fatal. GA got lucky defending. I sent Grey Gargoyle after him early and missed two or three times.
A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
Sounds like it might be reasonable (though this is obviously based on very limited testing) to try him about 100-150 points higher for the initial, but it also sounds like the design as is is working really well (and is fun)! Good stuff.
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Ok I tried him out and I thought he was lethal. I made him though for big fights, you want to have guys go out and take down your opponent's figures and then make them deals. Then you just keep using them to take out your opponent's other figures. I had a army of Mephisto, Etrigan, Spawn, Venom (C3G), Sage, and a squad of Fire Demons. I wanted to test some theories made about Mephisto and high life figures and Sabretooth's healing. So, I had them go against Superman, Zauriel, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Spider-man (C3G), and Hawkeye II. I had Sage so I was able to move OM's as needed. when someone got to Mephisto Spawn pulled them off with chain grab. The first to go down and take a deal strangely enough was the angel Zauriel. Then I had her just attack her team mates in my opponents start zone, mainly Sabretooth. Superman kept on Mephisto and Spawn had to keep pulling him off. Superman ended up being the second to take a deal, and was responsible for taking out Wolverine. However he kept running for Mephisto and hitting him so finally Mephisto had him jump in a lava pool and commit suicide. Zauriel eventually ended up taking down Sabretooth. If you want I have the entire test written up and can post it.
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Which side won and what was the margin of victory?
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Oh, yea duh, that would probably be a good thing to post. I won here were the survivors:
Mephisto 7 wounds, Venom 0 wounds, Sage 0 wounds, Fire Demons 4 units |
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Re: The Book Of Mephisto - Design Phase
Yeah, I think we should try him at like 600 for the initial. That power level works thematically, though, IMO. Does it work for you, DR?
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