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Old May 26th, 2020, 06:42 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

Sounds like a Scytale question?
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

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Sounds like a Scytale question?
Agreed. @Scytale , this may be kind of an awkward ask, but do you know how spirit powers and revive powers interact officially? If there is no official ruling, do you know how VC might rule it, or who else would be best to ask?
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

I asked quozl in the discord and he said that the stats do actually come from the figure being placed.
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I asked quozl in the discord and he said that the stats do actually come from the figure being placed.
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Care to tell us how you know? FAQ, rules team, etc? It will be a good thing to put this information in relevant areas of the forums.

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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

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I asked quozl in the discord and he said that the stats do actually come from the figure being placed.
I disagree with that.

I don't know how we would rule it in VC; as you can see, we already don't agree. We would discuss the options and try to decide on the better ruling given the wording, existing interactions, and potential future interactions.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

We definitely need to determine the interaction between revival and Spirit Powers for any kind of revival draft for these guys. I've asked the question over in Finn the Viking Champion's thread to see if anyone else happens to know; I can't seem to find an official ruling on how Sturla and spirits interact for the life of me.

It's worth noting that the spirit powers specifically refer to something along the lines of "Manauvi's Spirit" rather than the actual power name "Warrior's Charging Spirit." Would it be reasonable to rule that the <Name>'s Spirit is literally referring to the figure on the card, not the power itself? If so, then removing the figure from the card is also removing the spirit.

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At the start of any round, before placing Order Markers, you may choose one of your previously destroyed small or medium Unique Heroes. Place or remove wounds from that Hero's Army Card so that it has 1 Life remaining and replace an Honored Soul-Guide that you control with the chosen hero. At the end of the round, negate that Hero's powers for the entire game, then and destroy that Unique Hero.

That's a workable solution and absolutely should be tested before any more drastic changes. My apologies for skipping to the alternative, and I'll refrain from commenting on it until it comes to making that change if it's necessary. So, for now, what do we think about the negation fix to the current version?
I'm actually good with this approach, since even if Viking Spirits aren't intended to stack, being able to reapply Velkhor mid-battle sounds like a subtle synergy that could ultimately be frustrating. I made a minor change to try and make it clearer that the negation happens even if the figure has already been destroyed.

As a minor point that I also like, it discourages Azazel revival spam, since once you revive him this way, he can't use Rejected by Death anymore.
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Old June 5th, 2020, 05:22 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

I'm good with this. Though I wouldn't mind not negating figures as much if the spirits didn't affect multiple figures - and the reference to "Finn's Spirit" is a good argument for that. That would mean you could still pull Finn off another dead figure and move him to someone else still living, without ever having to worry about adding Attack to two living cards at once. That said, negation still seems like the best way to nip all the issues in the bud.


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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

I’d really want to try to keep the wording as simple as possible here, but I agree that we need a ruling about the vikings and such. Its possible that the C3V is already debating this, because they made the Varks.

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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

I'd rather we have a unified ruling, regardless of which way we go here.


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We waiting for a rules team deliberation?
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

We'll need a ruling one way or the other before playtesting. Is this being discussed somewhere currently?


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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Editing

@Scytale sorry for the ping, but you're our rules team contact. Is there a way we can get a ruling, or?
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