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Old January 23rd, 2017, 02:12 PM
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
I like that Viegon. Thanks.

The flies do seem to be a little beyond normal. The ability to create enough 'alien heat' to fuse Torq's armor is impressive.

That is sort of close to the original version of LotF.

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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
I agree with V's statement about the usefulness of only having a range reduction, which is why I also was pushing the def. reduction. I like his expansion of the spell to include move & att. as well. Having the range only being reduced by 1 is mitigated by the fact their attack is also reduced by 1. Make it a unique spell that lasts till the end of round (which makes you want to use you OM 1 on a MD figure) and price it a 15? points or so and see how it does.
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
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Either continuing Nemesis with or without the spells is fine by me.

As to the flies doing damage, I was imagining the horror trope of them swarming their victim's mouth to suffocate them or so forth. Even superheroes are going to be pretty shaken up by that (I'm pretty sure that kind of thing has been done plenty of times in comics anyways).

The range reduction falls flat for me for a few of reasons:
1) The theme feels like it belongs to some sort of fog/smokescreen/disorientation spell, and just doesn't really click for me.
2) It's relatively unexciting; only a handful of figures in the game rely heavily on their range, meaning it's just not going to see that much use or have much of an impact for such a flashily-named spell.
3) It fills a similar role to Vapors of Valtorr; which, while not necessarily an issue, just makes it feel even less enticing in my opinion.

If you want to go for the annoying/distraction swarm theme, I think a blanket stat reduction would hit the theme a lot better, give it a unique niche, make it more consistently useful, and overall just more interesting in my opinion. Something like:

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LORD OF THE FLIES
Unique Spell
Cost ???
Instead of moving, this figure may cast this spell to choose a figure within clear sight of this figure that is not occupying a water space. If the chosen figure is a Common or Squad figure, destroy it. Otherwise, until the end of the round, the chosen figure subtracts 1 from their Move, Range, Attack, and Defense numbers to a minimum of 1, or subtracts 2 from each number if this figure is a Sorcerer.
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If you want my opinion...and obviously you do since you asked...I like this the most out of all the options I read. It looks now more like a spell that others would use and not just him.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
That is awesome. Thanks guys!

I will try to post current version tomorrow and summon the CRB. We may be close to starting an Initial.
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
Let me know how this looks to everyone.
@dok @Dysole @Soundwarp SG-1 CRB, do you see anything?

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NAME = NEMESIS
SECRET IDENTITY =

SPECIES = WARLOCK
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SORCEROR
PERSONALITY = CHAOTIC

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 3
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 275???

]THE SWORD SINISTER
Roll 2 additional attack dice against an adjacent Human figure or 1 additional attack die against any other adjacent figure. If Nemesis destroys an adjacent figure with his normal attack, he may attack again.

SERVANT OF KHAOS
Wound Markers are the only markers that may be placed on this card or removed from this card by any special power on any other Army Card or Glyph.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When Nemesis is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds Nemesis can take for this attack is one.
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LORD OF THE FLIES
Unique Spell
Cost ???
Instead of moving, this figure may cast this spell to choose a figure within clear sight of this figure that is not occupying a water space. If the chosen figure is a Common or Squad figure, destroy it. Otherwise, until the end of the round, the chosen figure subtracts 1 from their Move, Range, Attack, and Defense numbers to a minimum of 1, or subtracts 2 from each number if this figure is a Sorcerer.

LEVITATION
Common Spell
Cost ???

Before moving, this figure may cast this spell to gain the Flying special power until the end of its turn. If they do, reduce their move number by 3, to a minimum of 1, for this turn.
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COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Competitive Concerns
Does the design offer worrisome Order marker movement or efficiency? No. I could see a rules lawyer arguing you can't put Order Markers on this guy.

Does the design offer superior Auto wounding? No.

Does the design cause the prevention of abilities (Blob, Polaris, Meteorite)? Reduces some base stats, but it's a once a round thing.

Does the design move other figures? No.

Does the design boost other figures (outside of a narrowly defined set)? No.

Does the design have one or more excellent defensive powers? Magical Defense is always boss.

Does the design auto destroy or take control of other figures in a way that unbalances the design? No.

Does the design have any other concerns? Not really.

Summary of Any Competitive Concerns/Suggestions for Changes: Nothing really comes to me on how to break this guy, but he's a great counter draft and can pack quite a punch.

~Dysole, who couldn't resist
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
Thanks Dysole.

I will give others a chance to chime in and then I will propose an Initial.

Oh, forgot to ask. Any guess on points? I am hoping he comes in under 300. Not sure though. He will be very good vs. Humans.
Build suggestions? Starlord will be good.
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
Since it seems unlikely their will ever be a second levitation spell made later down the line can we expand on your a bit to include casting it on an ally figure? Then make it unique to keep it from being abused. You said he doesn't cast levitation often enough to be replaced with the flying special power so it really shouldn't be a common spell either way.

LEVITATION
Unique Spell
Cost 10 points?

Before moving this figure, or before moving a friendly figure adjacent to this figure, this figure may cast this spell to have the figure that is moving gain the Flying special power until the end of its turn. If they do, reduce their move number by 3, to a minimum of 1, for this turn.
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Since it seems unlikely their will ever be a second levitation spell made later down the line can we expand on your a bit to include casting it on an ally figure? Then make it unique to keep it from being abused. You said he doesn't cast levitation often enough to be replaced with the flying special power so it really shouldn't be a common spell either way.

LEVITATION
Unique Spell
Cost 10 points?

Before moving this figure, or before moving a friendly figure adjacent to this figure, this figure may cast this spell to have the figure that is moving gain the Flying special power until the end of its turn. If they do, reduce their move number by 3, to a minimum of 1, for this turn.
The only way I could see it being abused as a common spell would be if it applied to special movement powers; probably better to slap a Before moving normally" in there.

With that in place, the best exploits I can think of are giving Wally West flying to combo with speed force, or allowing Groot to fly while carrying folks. Neither of these seem especially exploitative - Wally could get crazy, but not much more crazy than usual.
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Re: The Book of Nemesis - Breathing Period
I was thinking more along the lines of levitating Cable up on top of a castle wall, then Bane up adj. to him, then a defensive pod figure. Actually I'd move Bane up first, then as soon as Cable arrives he is getting two attacks of 7 at range.
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I was thinking more along the lines of levitating Cable up on top of a castle wall, then Bane up adj. to him, then a defensive pod figure. Actually I'd move Bane up first, then as soon as Cable arrives he is getting two attacks of 7 at range.
Certainly doable, but John Stewart can make that play from farther away and he doubles as your defensive pod figure. It's worth keeping in mind, but (assuming it's limited to active turn movement) I'd be comfortable giving it a shot as a common spell.
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