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Old June 4th, 2018, 05:12 PM
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Re: The Book of Karai - Public Playtesting

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It looks like she won at 175 (w/squads) & 170 (w/o squads), lost at 185 (w/squads vs. squads) & 180 (w/o squads vs. squads), then lost two more times at 185 (w/o multiple squads) before winning at 185 (w/multiple squads). Does she need to end in a '5' or could she land at 180? If forced to pick between 175 & 185 then I'm leaning towards 185 only because of what she does for 'squad' scape. When surrounded by squads she seems to be worth 185.
It's generally been an aesthetic that Foot and Foot adjacent designs end in 5 (Shredder, Foot Clan, Hun, even the Hand.


So that's two votes each... okay.

You can assume that would YK posted above is my opinion...If the Hand and Foot and Shredder are already at 5 there isn't a reason to absolutely make her end in a 5. I mean some of those can cancel each other out and leave you with and even number..Throw up a few army builds with Hand, Foot, Shredder, Kurai combos at a few point totals and see what it looks like...

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Old June 4th, 2018, 05:48 PM
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Re: The Book of Karai - Public Playtesting

Yeah, I don't know what the ideal build for her looks like so I was just wondering if she needed to end in a 5 or if she could get way without it. If it is Hand x3 + Foot + her, then the foot & hand already combine to end in 0 so she could also end in 0 at that point. Or maybe it's Shredder + Foot + Hand x2 + her. It's a little tricky here since the Turtles do not add up to one of the usual suspects at 800, 1000, or even 1200, so it's hard to build armies for their foes when we don't know where they will end up. Outside of BeeBop & Rocksteady, or the Purple Dragons & Hun, who else might end up getting carded that would need to be taken into consideration?
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Re: The Book of Karai - Public Playtesting

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Yeah, I don't know what the ideal build for her looks like so I was just wondering if she needed to end in a 5 or if she could get way without it. If it is Hand x3 + Foot + her, then the foot & hand already combine to end in 0 so she could also end in 0 at that point. Or maybe it's Shredder + Foot + Hand x2 + her. It's a little tricky here since the Turtles do not add up to one of the usual suspects at 800, 1000, or even 1200, so it's hard to build armies for their foes when we don't know where they will end up. Outside of BeeBop & Rocksteady, or the Purple Dragons & Hun, who else might end up getting carded that would need to be taken into consideration?

She's a little easier since she doesn't really work with the others. She's pretty much mostly just overlapping with Hand/Foot ninja and Shredder.

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Re: The Book of Karai - Public Playtesting

Okay, with that in mind this looks like it could work.

Shredder 245 + Foot 155 = 400
Hand x2 170 + Karai 180 = 350.......750

vs.

Turtles 700 + April 50? = 750

If you wanted to play them at 1000 with some new allies, Spider-Man at 250 for the Turtles, then Boomerang (130) + Typhoid Mary (120) are a couple of assassin recruits for the Hand to bond with.

If you are just looking at the 1000 point team with allies concept though, this could also work out well.

Shredder + Foot = 400
Hand x3 255 + Karai 185 = 440
Merlyn 160 ........1000 points

Merlyn and Karai can both sit back behind the Hand screen and fire arrows for a while, seems like a good team up. If Karai were 175, then Merlyn becomes Elektra (170). Which one of those three 1000 point armies seem like the best fit for her in terms of theme and balance?
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Re: The Book of Karai - Public Playtesting

Okay, since we have no clear majority here, I reckon I'm going to go wit 185 - it better fits how she plays in swarmy ninja builds (170-ish is probably a fair price for her before you reckon in Ninja Leadership, which sort of makes her a Ninja Marcus Decimus Gallus for those of you familiar with Classic), plus I like the build options it allows her, including Yodaking's suggested 1,000 point build as well as the following:

Shredder - 245
Karai - 185
Hun or Kirigi - 175
Foot Clan Ninja - 155
2x Hand Ninja - 85
Total - 930

As well as this for 1,000:

Shredder - 245
Karai - 185
Hun - 175
Foot Clan Ninja - 155
2x Hand Ninja - 85
1x Street Thugs
Total - 1,000

930 may seem like an odd number to build armies towards, but it is what the TMNT + Splinter come in at, so I can see it being used a lot in TMNT vs. Foot Clan casual games.
If people are happy with this, I'll propose the vote for Final Editing this evening.


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Okay, since we have no clear majority here, I reckon I'm going to go wit 185 - it better fits how she plays in swarmy ninja builds (170-ish is probably a fair price for her before you reckon in Ninja Leadership, which sort of makes her a Ninja Marcus Decimus Gallus for those of you familiar with Classic), plus I like the build options it allows her, including Yodaking's suggested 1,000 point build as well as the following:

Shredder - 245
Karai - 185
Hun or Kirigi - 175
Foot Clan Ninja - 155
2x Hand Ninja - 85
Total - 930

As well as this for 1,000:

Shredder - 245
Karai - 185
Hun - 175
Foot Clan Ninja - 155
2x Hand Ninja - 85
1x Street Thugs
Total - 1,000

930 may seem like an odd number to build armies towards, but it is what the TMNT + Splinter come in at, so I can see it being used a lot in TMNT vs. Foot Clan casual games.
If people are happy with this, I'll propose the vote for Final Editing this evening.
Okay, so no opinions on this? I'll.... take that as a good sign?

I Propose Moving Karai to Final Editing at 185.

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Re: The Book of Karai - Vote for Final Editing

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@Arkham , @japes ? Could you possibly try to find a way to work the Foot Clan symbol onto her card, either in the stat-box ala the Hammer and Sickle on Mother Russia's card or in the name box ala the Smile-sticker on Comedian's card?



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