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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
Yeah I'm kinda leaning towards what Astro says - she has some connection to the elf wizards but isn't Jordawn herself.
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
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She's already been forced to be an elf, so Jorhdawn II fits with that. I don't know how any character is more "obscure" than others. Each official character is as official as the next. Why make an "obscure" character from the lore, then, like Tyrian? Or Durnipia? This Master Set is "new", yes, but at no time did anyone say it needs to be 100% "fresh" and not relate to the official game. In fact, we're tying it in via bonding (Velkhor) and other synergy (Archmages, maybe), so lore/character tie-ins are just another part of that. IMO some ties lend to its legitimacy as an expansion anyway. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
They look fairly distinct to me. Raelin 2 and Drake 2 both look like their first versions to me, and Hrognak is literally just the mini sitting in a howdah. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
They're different, but not different enough that if someone told me they were two versions of the same character I wouldn't believe them. They're both female fire-users wearing boots and silver ornamentation around the waist. Changing from blue robes to red is cliche when turning evil, but nothing wrong with that either.
Every single other Elf Wizard wields a staff, but it's easy enough to explain why Jorhdawn II doesn't (partly because she's an Archmage now). Given her disturbing bio, the other Elf Wizards built an inhibitor spell into her staff to help keep her destructive potential in check. Utgar managed to break the spell, unleashing her terrible power and turning her Evil. However, Ullar recovered the staff and summoned another member of Morsbane's family to wield it for Good, the gem restored to the end of the staff restoring its full potential as well. (This could be one of our strongest heroes, the staff being closest to Ulginesh's in appearance.) Honestly, the more I write about it, the more I like it. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
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Each character is indeed as official as the next, but that doesn't mean that they're all equally recognizable. Raelin is one of the most iconic and immediately recognizable characters in HeroScape for a variety of reasons, Sgt. Drake Alexander is in a similar boat, and Hrognak is a special case for literally being the same exact mini and having a new mount to pair him with. There's a clear level of difference in terms of recognizability when comparing someone like Retiarius to Sgt. Drake. This isn't to disparage Jorhdawn or other "obscure" units--it's only natural that some characters are more obscure to the average player than others, and it's of course different for everyone. Jorhdawn was one of my favorite units growing up, for example, but even taking that into account, I'd never think that Pyria is the same character unless outright told so, and even then, it just makes me scratch my head and ask "Huh?" I don't think that this is equitable to making Tyrian or Durnipia, either. Those are random references in other bios that have some interesting details or potential, and then a design came along out of it that essentially turns those references into a cool little cameo. This is essentially rewriting an existing character and trying to force a connection when there isn't one. It doesn't feel natural or like a cameo anymore. Quote:
I think that the problem is particularly pronounced because Pyria wasn't designed as Evil Jorhdawn. Her card bears very little resemblance to Jorhdawn, whereas Raelin, Sgt. Drake, and Hrognak all feel like they're the same character with some new toys: a completely different fire-themed Special Attack isn't enough to make me think that this has to be Jorhdawn later. Quote:
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
I don't really want to drag this out into a lengthy argument, NB, especially since this isn't our Pod. I'll just take the chance to clear up a few places where it seems that I wasn't clear and then bow out of the discussion. Hopefully if Pod 1 decides that Pyria can pass as Jorhdawn, then there's a really good bio explaining it.
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
HAving read along, I'm definitely open to her being Jor 2. It's not not like we can't go with that name for now and then if SoV doesn't take it we make an alternate card.
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
As one of the Pod 1 people, I'm strong against Jor II.
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Re: [Pod 1] PYRIA (Chandra Nalaar, Pyromancer) - Playtesting
Similar - I am against but not as strongly. Chandra Nalaar does not look like an elf (no pointy ears), a wizard (no staff). Howevere the long hair and "battle skirt" make them somewhat similar, and Jorhdawn probably looks closer to Chandra Nalaar than any other Heroscape unit. I guess I could see a good backstory showing the change, but would prefer our own "lore"
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