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Re: The Book of Kozil
We suggest a large single because it fits best that way. If you fit him on small single, that's entirely fine.
Last edited by superfrog; February 11th, 2019 at 04:49 PM. Reason: There are some cases where it matters: fitting next to ruins, etc. |
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Re: The Book of Kozil
It's largely an aesthetic change and I rarely see it specified, but there are some instances where it might matter when trying to fit the figure in some small gaps. I doubt that it'd be a problem in most instances, though.
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Re: The Book of Kozil
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Re: The Book of Kozil
I've added all of them to the main post now.
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Re: The Book of Kozil
The text transcription has two subtle differences from the card (and the army card has a grammar issue, which I'll list afterwards):
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The grammar problem is two-fold: in the three-part condition for Crushing Grasp, there are double "ands" and non-parallel construction. The double conjunction could be grammatically acceptable if the construction had been parallel, but even then it is pretty uncommon and generally only used for literary emphasis. Anyway, when a subject (in this case "Kozil") is repeated across multiple conjunctive phrases, proper English requires that subject to be written either once (at the beginning) or every time. On this card, "Kozil" is repeated for the first and last phrases but not the middle one. So either the third one needs to be deleted, or the middle one needs to be filled in. Or, if two Kozils are strongly desired here, then the three-phrase conjunction can be split into a two-phrase one with a follow-up. And in any case, the commas then need to be cleaned up. So there are at least three ways this sentence could be corrected:
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Re: The Book of Kozil
The issue is that the entire chain of clauses you are looking at it all dependent on "After attacking with Kozil". The lack of a comma makes it clearer that it's all one dependent condition that triggers in that time frame. I guess it's clear either way but it really starts to feel like a run-on.
If I were going to adjust it, I'd back out to the originating clause and go with: After Kozil attacks a small or medium figure, if Kozil rolled at least 1 skull and is still adjacent to that figure,This packages it in a way that avoids the double "and" while still making all the conditions intuitively point to the timing window. |
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Re: The Book of Kozil
I was trying to preserve as much of the original approach as I could, in an effort to make it easier for the decision-makers to consider fixing the grammar problem. Having said that, I do like your version better; it's shorter and reads more fluidly.
I would even go so far as to replace your second "Kozil" with a pronoun, since it would read a little better with no risk of ambiguity: After Kozil attacks a small or medium figure, if he rolled at least 1 skull and is still adjacent to that figure,Short and sweet, and still clear. When I make a rectangular card, your approach is what I would use for myself. I do have one question remaining, though. Well, a pair of questions. Does "After Kozil attacks" allow any room for thinking it could be before defense dice, wounding, Counter Strike, Scatter, etc.? And/or does "After attacking with Kozil" absolutely 100% communicate that it's after all these things? If there's any implied difference in timing between "after X attacks" and "after attacking with X" then that could confer an advantage on the original opening phrase. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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Re: The Book of Kozil
"After attacking" refers to a specific timing window, so it's pretty safe. "After Kozil attacks" is obviously the same meaning in a plain reading, but one could argue that by avoiding the classic construction we create some ambiguity. As such, you could mimic it a bit more by going with:
After attacking a small or medium figure with Kozil, if he rolled at least 1 skull and is still adjacent to that figure,From a technical perspective it's still not quite the same as the traditional "after attacking" window, because that window occurs even if you didn't attack, while this window obviously depends on an attack (a specific sort of attack at that) having happened. Still, mimicking the wording this way makes it pretty hard to misunderstand the timing. |
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Re: The Book of Kozil
Using the classic construction as much as possible seems wise. I like this version.
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Re: The Book of Kozil
1.What's the sequence of the attack with Kozil Crushing Grasp? You roll attack dice, defender defends, let's say he gets one wound and THEN you roll the 20-sided die to see if Kozil inflicts ADDITIONAL 2 wounds? Is that correct?
2.What happens if You fail to inflict wounds, but rolled a skull? I understand You still roll for grasp, right? Thanks |
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Re: The Book of Kozil
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What GenCon taught me was to assume only one skull on three dice! |
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