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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
You whiners are imagining the grading scale as if the units were competing against each other for the prize of "Best in Show."
That's not how it works. An F unit has no redeeming qualities. None. An A+ unit is extremely strong in a competitive environment. It follows that something in the B range is situationally useful. Something in the C range would be meh, and in the D/F range - let's pretend there's a D range - you'd find the things that are irredeemable, or nearly so. There's no prize for highest grade, and if most of our units are situationally useful and in the B range, then so much the better. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
Rygarn should be undervalued in these ranking based on the criteria.
I have seen him in about 15 different games with about a dozen of them tournament games, and based on my evaluation of those games he is an A+. However, those games were all some kind of draft or take 2 variant. When the power ranking is based on 500 point double blind best army, those games have little bearing on ranking Rygarn in this list due to format context. It just bears a little odd that likely anytime you will see Rygarn in a competitive tournament setting he will play as an A or higher, but in a 500 point blind setting you just wont see him or he his best army will be outclassed, so thats how his rank should be reflected in this list. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
I disagree with 20th Maine. Slow rolling them with Raelin seems very strong to me; activate them only turn 1, maybe turn 2 in situations, leave the X on them and use most of the round to run your other figures. I think playing a bunch of them like 4th/10th might not be the way to go, just run 2 or 3 as strong position holders. They also work with Marcus. And only 60pt. I dunno, I just don't see B- at all, even if you were to play them swarm style.
I understand the hate towards figures like Bramcephys, but I think if you build the remainder of your army mitigating the weak matchups it can work. He's really powerful, and does include an answer (not bullet proof but it's an answer) to common range himself, which is a nice touch. He's map dependent so I'm not advocating he's an A figure, but C+ is really low imo. Bramcephys, PK x3, Zetacron looks like a pretty powerful army to me. The Red Ants I have a soft spot for, so maybe listening to me might not be so accurate haha. But.....they are a 4 squad for 40pt., with movement and attack potential. Only 2 def, but only 40pt. I just think that's too good for C+. Other than those 3 I pretty much agree with all the rankings. I think Brute Gruts are amazing personally, but admittedly I have't played them yet. Thanks for the new rankings dude. Last edited by Cleon; November 1st, 2017 at 06:44 AM. |
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I agree I've always felt he was a grade too high. He's good, solid stats and abilities at 95pt., but he only attacks once per turn and no bonding or anything. I think he's a solid B+
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
I'll parrot that I think Heracles is more in the A- area. The downside of no-bonding is severely mitigated with his ability to use the X order marker, meaning you can still very efficiently use your turns by just feeding him one numbered marker a round and letting your rest of the army help. Double turns are also pretty versatile, allowing him to grab glyphs out of nowhere or launch himself into battle. He thrives against an army with mixed sizes (so he can get up to 2 throws and 2 attacks off) but that is common enough and getting any less is still good. He really does feel like a C3G hero.
Viceron at B- sounds fine. He can make a fine bomb but it is quite the commitment to pull off and pretty easy to fall apart. I think he is best rolled out slowly (an order marker here and there with an army that doesn't mind) so he's in the thick of it by the mid-game and can use his special. Otherwise there are just better and cheaper options for a clean-up hero and he's just too slow to do all that much early. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
It has occurred to me that the Tomb Skeleton Archers are not in this list. I'm curious as to where they would fall...
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
He put them at B-.
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I missed it because I was only looking at the OP.
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Conversation seems to have dwindled a little bit here, so I figured that I would weigh in my thoughts on some of the unranked figures. Keep in mind that this is mostly from theoryscaping, so there may be some things that I'm missing.
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As for Locksley, I think that he's at best a C+. He has a great attack at range with Disengage, but Treasure Glyphs aren't common enough to make him a great option outside of Nottingham Brigand builds. Quote:
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EDIT: Just saw some talk about Haduc on the last page. I agree that he's an A-: he's by far the strongest Elf Wizard and does a lot to provide survivability for them. Even standalone as a clean-up hero, when he's being fed all of your Order Markers, he can be pretty tough to take down. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
Well met! The following have yet to be "officially" ranked: SOV 2014 INDUCTEES Mariedian Retaliation Jarek Guy 9/15/14 SOV 2015 INDUCTEES The Blademaster Prince Prince al'Kahora 2/4/15 Minotaur of the Maze Asterios 4/12/15 Red Tide Red Ants of Aunstrum 4/20/15 CREVCOR'S COMMISSION C3V Wave 19 Heroes of the Dark Lakes Beorn Boltcutter Garrett Burns Josie Whistletop Seleena Warriors of Elswind Forest 20th Maine Volunteers Tomb Skeleton Archers Achillean Gladiatrix Hunters and Drones Xualtiaca Fire Ants Zettian Deathwings Goliaths of the Plains Bramcephys The Varja SOV 2016 INDUCTEES Deadly Facade Cormin the Dark 1/8/16 Death From Below Ashi-Dhulu 12/24/16 Rabble Rouser Urk 12/24/16 ORELD'S ORDERS C3V Wave 20 Hunters and Scouts 53rd North Carolina Sharpshooters Teeth of the Makwa Orcs and Animata Sentinels of Grax Brute Gruts Heroes of Crumland Heracles Hrognak Patrick Ferguson Pel the Hill Giant Warriors of the Glade Durgeth Ravagers Darkprowl Thrall Nottingham Brigand SoV 2017 Inductees Ruthless Judgment Executioner 616 Crimson Reign Viceron the Blood Knight Kon-Tar-Na's Ambush Kon-Tar-Na CURSE OF STORMTORN PEAK C3V Wave 21 Heroes of a Bygone Age Chen Tang Master Lao Xin Locksley Yi Feng Zhen Yuan |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
It's not so much that I lack the time to add them to the OP, as much as it's that editing these big link-heavy posts is one of the tasks that I despise the most. As in, I think about it almost every time I log on to the site, and I hate the thought of doing it so much that I probably log on less often just to avoid thinking about it.
So, yes, please and thank you, you can do those edits. I made some small changes to the post you quoted to incorporate some of the feedback, so check back there as opposed to the quoted text if you are going to do the work. |
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