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Old March 20th, 2019, 07:06 PM
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I don't like "roll the dice to decide for the AI" systems, that just turns into the AI routinely making boneheaded decisions on obvious moves. I also don't like going "choose the most optimal course of action for the AI", in my mind that's not an AI at all, that's just complicated soloscape.
Agreed on both fronts. Hard to completely avoid both issues with AI, though. I think a good mix of the two can account for a lot of the worst things about either extreme, though.

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I'm mulling this over. Thoughts pending.
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Old March 21st, 2019, 06:28 AM
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Re: Coop/Solo Rules - Brainstorming

I have some ideas for this as well. Im finishing up some other projects right now but would love to make rain with a couple handfuls of pennies.

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Re: Coop/Solo Rules - Brainstorming

Definitely open to ideas - especially if we can retain Order Markers and have a real A.I.

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Re: Coop/Solo Rules - Brainstorming

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I don't like "roll the dice to decide for the AI" systems, that just turns into the AI routinely making boneheaded decisions on obvious moves. I also don't like going "choose the most optimal course of action for the AI", in my mind that's not an AI at all, that's just complicated soloscape.
Agreed on both fronts. Hard to completely avoid both issues with AI, though. I think a good mix of the two can account for a lot of the worst things about either extreme, though.
I'm not sure, but is there any inspiration that can be taken from Heroes of Aturi Cluster? It's probably one of the better solo/co-op A.I. systems I've played that doesn't involve a computer app.

It's a cooperative campaign for the X-Wing Miniatures game. The AI system is largely built around balancing roll the dice vs optimization so the AI units are not just flying around being dumb by:

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1. Identify the nearest enemy or greatest threat.
2. Based on distance and location, roll on the matching table to determine movement.
3. Identify the AI unit's action priorities
4. Perform attacks.
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For Heroscape, the order of operations would probably have to be different.
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Old March 25th, 2019, 09:17 PM
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Re: Coop/Solo Rules - Brainstorming

The basic target selection and attack mechanics shouldn't be a problem at all, IMO. There are plenty of solid A.I.s that handle this part just fine (like Gloomhaven). It's all the random other powers that trigger outside of turn, during movement, after movement before attack, during attack, once per round, once per game, etc., etc. that can get tricky.

Plenty of effects are automatic, but for any optional or "may" power and for any "choose" power all of that has to be figured out one way or another.

Which is why I think it helps to know your army construction for the AI and write some army specific rules.

Oh, also distribution of activations within an army is a strategic thing that just randomizing can make messy. I'm hoping that the guidelines for an AI in the OP could help with that part a bit at least.

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Re: Coop/Solo Rules - Brainstorming

I wanted to bump this.
I think the first thing we need to do is figure out the scenario we want.
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I wanted to bump this.
I think the first thing we need to do is figure out the scenario we want.
I think the cleanest place to start is to do an A.I. Anti-Monitor vs. a 1600 point army.

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Or Gauntlet Quest Thanos maybe.
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