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Old November 22nd, 2019, 12:11 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I mean, I was fine with the lower attack/defense stuff, fwiw. Just throwing out more suggestions since it seemed they were desired.

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Old November 22nd, 2019, 12:16 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

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I guess we should add the SS clause back in to keep him from brutalizing Lanterns, etc.
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BRUTALITY 3
When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if the Attack number listed on the defending figure's card is 3 or lower and the defending figure does not have the Super Strength special power, the defending figure subtracts 1 from its Defense.
"Printed on the card" is an official term...I think? I feel almost certain I've seen it used somewhere before. I think "listed on the card" is probably more solid though.
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Well ... there are technically some powers that change the attack number/value with how they work mechanically. Honestly, I'm fine with those slipping through for such a minor effect, but I'm cool if the LD doesn't want to as well.
For me, it's less a thematic thing, and more just a really confusing gameplay thing. That's why I'm in support of the "listed on the card" wording.

The whole Attack Number vs. Attack Value vs. Attack Dice concept is just way more confusion for the layman than I want to delve into. I don't think the player should have to crack open a rulebook to check if height advantage modifies Attack Number or Attack Dice. Stuff like that is way more nitty gritty than what I personally want to do with my LDs.
FTR the above was my favorite.

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Old November 24th, 2019, 11:22 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

So how about this, then? It's simple, and it allows the power to be weakened by stat boosters, but not helped by them. I like LO's idea of Cap being a sort of counter to him.
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When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if the defending figure would roll 4 or less defense dice, you may subtract 1 from the defense dice rolled.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

That works fine for me.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I like it but it should be more like this.

BRUTALITY 4
When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if the defending figure would roll 4 or fewer defense dice, that figure rolls 1 fewer defense die.
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Old November 24th, 2019, 03:57 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I still favor the attack comparison, I struggle to see how he looks at Conan and gets overly confident in his ability to bully and dominate him. I'm sure there are a bunch of others who are 4 def. types that are pretty strong units, just Conan is the first one that comes to mind. We already have a problem where base 5 defense has become a floor from some designers, this power will just reinforce that cut off point where no body wants their favorite character to have just 4 defense anymore, which makes all the 3 def. SA just worse and worse as time goes on and there are fewer and fewer figures with less than 5 def. anymore.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I was also for the Attack value as the measure. So many figures have low defense due to powers.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I missed a lot of this, but what was wrong with the original direction? I liked the first power, I thought the only question was counting attack dice, or attack value.
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Old November 25th, 2019, 10:53 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

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I missed a lot of this, but what was wrong with the original direction? I liked the first power, I thought the only question was counting attack dice, or attack value.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

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I missed a lot of this, but what was wrong with the original direction? I liked the first power, I thought the only question was counting attack dice, or attack value.

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Old November 25th, 2019, 03:32 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I of course like the original write up as well though I’m biased. However I’m never gonna deny anyone the opportunity to try and improve on something. I do think we’ve gone down the path so far now that I think we’ve forgotten the destination.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

Since the issue was the wording of “his attack number”. I propose we just go from this

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BRUTALITY
When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if his Attack Number is the same or higher than that of the defending figure, the defending figure subtracts 1 from its Defense
To this

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BRUTALITY 3 (or 4)
When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if the defending figure has an Attack of 3 (or 4) or less, the defending figure subtracts 1 from its Defense.

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