HoME General Discussion Thread

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by Son of Arathorn

Generals: I firmly believe that we need to make this as compatible as possible with Classic 'Scape, and that means we use the established Generals of Valhalla, that is to say, Jandar, Utgar, Vydar, Einar, Valkrill, Aquilla. I think we can fit most everybody Tolkien ever devised into those established army types.

It seems a little strange to me that a powerful angelic being such as Sauron would agree to follow one of the Kyrie Generals, although he did follow Morgoth and Ar-Pharazon. I definately cannot see Morgoth or the other Valar following the Kyrie.

I was going to suggest that maybe Valkrill IS Sauron, but both Sauron and Morgoth fought mortals in battle and were wounded (although never destroyed). So I think we'd want to at least have Sauron as a playable figure.

I will point out that both HoSS and Project Pokemon make figures compatible with classic scape, but neither of them use the Heroscape Generals.

If we ARE going to make the figures follow the Heroscape valkyrie generals, I think we really need to come up with a good backstory as to how they got to Valhalla and how they came to follow the kyrie generals in their quest for the wellsprings. If we can't make a believable backstory, we'd be better off using unique generals/factions.

Originally Posted by infectedsloth

If we use official generals I would like to have a rough outline of what would go with each general before we start designing figures.

• Gondor/Jandar
• Rohan/Einar
• Mordor/Utgar
• Isengard/Valkrill
• Elves/Ullar
• Dwarfs/aquilla
• miscellaneous/vydar

If we are expanding this to cover the Silmarillion, then where would Morgoth, and the other Valar, and Hurin and Turin, and the Numenorians go?

[boromir96]

Originally Posted by orcelfarmyone

However, I don't know why I would play LotR scape with classic. They're 2 seperate things from completely different settings, 1 is from a medieval era and the other is from all different eras.

Since when do robots defend Helms Deep?

Since when do Robots defend Valhalla? Aliens fight alongside Werewolves?

And another problem with making them separate, is that I'll never have enough money to buy all the designs we make. Meaning I'll probably never play exclusively HoME battles. I'll be playing Aragorn with KoW, and Legolas with WoA. So I want them to feel the same. I don't get that feel with Marvel.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by White Knight

It seems a little strange to me that a powerful angelic being such as Sauron would agree to follow one of the Kyrie Generals, although he did follow Morgoth and Ar-Pharazon. I definately cannot see Morgoth or the other Valar following the Kyrie.

I was going to suggest that maybe Valkrill IS Sauron, but both Sauron and Morgoth fought mortals in battle and were wounded (although never destroyed). So I think we'd want to at least have Sauron as a playable figure.

I will point out that both HoSS and Project Pokemon make figures compatible with classic scape, but neither of them use the Heroscape Generals.

If we ARE going to make the figures follow the Heroscape valkyrie generals, I think we really need to come up with a good backstory as to how they got to Valhalla and how they came to follow the kyrie generals in their quest for the wellsprings. If we can't make a believable backstory, we'd be better off using unique generals/factions.

Yeah, because Sauron and Morgoth aren't having a hard enough time as it is controlling Arda.

I completely agree with you especially at the bolded parts.

[OEAO]

@ Boromir:
I don't have the money either. That's why we're including classic scape proxies.

[boromir96]

Originally Posted by White Knight

It seems a little strange to me that a powerful angelic being such as Sauron would agree to follow one of the Kyrie Generals, although he did follow Morgoth and Ar-Pharazon. I definately cannot see Morgoth or the other Valar following the Kyrie.

I was going to suggest that maybe Valkrill IS Sauron, but both Sauron and Morgoth fought mortals in battle and were wounded (although never destroyed). So I think we'd want to at least have Sauron as a playable figure.

I will point out that both HoSS and Project Pokemon make figures compatible with classic scape, but neither of them use the Heroscape Generals.

If we ARE going to make the figures follow the Heroscape valkyrie generals, I think we really need to come up with a good backstory as to how they got to Valhalla and how they came to follow the kyrie generals in their quest for the wellsprings. If we can't make a believable backstory, we'd be better off using unique generals/factions.

I don't see what the problem is. Just think of Middle Earth as another world that the Generals could summon from.


Although..... I wouldn't be totally opposed to making Sauron a General. He was summoned by Utgar, but basically started creating his own army. He'd need a cool card design, but I'd want it to look like a Classic one.

[OEAO]

The problem is that the using classic generals will give it a totally different feel than actually replicating real battles.

Sure, mixing robots and romans is okay in scape, but that would be messed up in LotR. and we have movies and books to draw this from, not just our imagination.

[infectedsloth]

Originally Posted by White Knight

If we are expanding this to cover the Silmarillion, then where would Morgoth, and the other Valar, and Hurin and Turin, and the Numenorians go?

• The Edain and their descendents/Jandar
• Mordor/Valkrill
• Isengard and miscellaneous evil things/Vydar
• Dwarfs/Aquilla
• Elfs/Ullar
• Morgoth/Utgar
• Rohan and miscellaneous good thing/Einar

Edit: for the record I don't think making unique generals makes them incompatibly with classic scape, Marvel did it.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by infectedsloth

• The Edain and their descendents/Jandar
• Mordor/Valkrill
• Isengard and miscellaneous evil things/Vydar
• Dwarfs/Aquilla
• Elfs/Ullar
• Morgoth/Utgar
• Rohan and miscellaneous good thing/Einar

Now we're getting to broad, we're better off with our own generals.

[OEAO]

Wow, we're getting more activity in a day than we we're in a month with the last project!

[boromir96]

Originally Posted by orcelfarmyone

The problem is that the using classic generals will give it a totally different feel than actually replicating real battles.

Sure, mixing robots and romans is okay in scape, but that would be messed up in LotR. and we have movies and books to draw this from, not just our imagination.

I don't see how you could get a real LotR fell using Proxies anyway though... And wer're not mixing Romans and Robots in LotR, we're mixing LotR in with the Rest of 'Scape.

[boromir96]

Originally Posted by orcelfarmyone

Wow, we're getting more activity in a day than we we're in a month with the last project!

Lol, I'm liking this.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by boromir96

I don't see how you could get a real LotR fell using Proxies anyway though... And wer're not mixing Romans and Robots in LotR, we're mixing LotR in with the Rest of 'Scape.

So now Deathwalker 9000 is fighting alongside Sauron's orcs to storm minas tirith defended by knights of gondor allied with Omnicron Snipers?