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Old April 2nd, 2018, 11:51 AM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Yes, you are exactly right, as I see it. People seem to like this nominee. I know I do. But one of his defining features is strongly associated with D&D-style trolls, and specifically not with Valhalla trolls. Of which there is an example.

So I think you're exactly right. The bio you've given is the problem you've seen here, because of the association with Valhalla. Remove or change the bio, thus allowing for a more natural home world for this design, and you wouldn't have this problem with canon consistency.

I don't see anything confusing here at all.

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Old April 2nd, 2018, 11:57 AM
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The bio you've given is the problem you've seen here, because of the association with Valhalla. Remove or change the bio, thus allowing for a more natural home world for this design, and you wouldn't have this problem with canon consistency.
Done. My original submission post has been updated without a Bio and association with Valhalla as his home world. That should take care of the reservations for this submission.

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Yes, you are exactly right, as I see it. People seem to like this nominee. I know I do. But one of his defining features is strongly associated with D&D-style trolls, and specifically not with Valhalla trolls. Of which there is an example.
Wait, there’s an example of Valhallan Trolls? Krug is from Feylund, if you mean him. The Dumutef is the closest thing to a troll from Valhalla, but it still isn’t a troll.

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Yes, you are exactly right, as I see it. People seem to like this nominee. I know I do. But one of his defining features is strongly associated with D&D-style trolls, and specifically not with Valhalla trolls. Of which there is an example.
Wait, there’s an example of Valhallan Trolls? Krug is from Feylund, if you mean him. The Dumutef is the closest thing to a troll from Valhalla, but it still isn’t a troll.
They're referenced offhand in one of the RoTV scenarios if I remember correctly.
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Yes, you are exactly right, as I see it. People seem to like this nominee. I know I do. But one of his defining features is strongly associated with D&D-style trolls, and specifically not with Valhalla trolls. Of which there is an example.
Wait, there’s an example of Valhallan Trolls? Krug is from Feylund, if you mean him. The Dumutef is the closest thing to a troll from Valhalla, but it still isn’t a troll.
My mistake. Regardless, he looks like a D&D troll with a distinctly D&D troll power set. Valhalla is counterintuitive, and it's a fair criticism that Valhalla doesn't make sense here.

I think making a nominee fit seamlessly in the canon, as Sir H. has now done, is a pretty obvious way for a designer to help her- or himself through this process.

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The bio you've given is the problem you've seen here, because of the association with Valhalla. Remove or change the bio, thus allowing for a more natural home world for this design, and you wouldn't have this problem with canon consistency.
Done. My original submission post has been updated without a Bio and association with Valhalla as his home world. That should take care of the reservations for this submission.
I was going to announce that the unit passed since we have a majority, but this changes things. (I also happen to support the change.) You still do need a homeworld, though. Toril or Eberron?
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Yes, you are exactly right, as I see it. People seem to like this nominee. I know I do. But one of his defining features is strongly associated with D&D-style trolls, and specifically not with Valhalla trolls. Of which there is an example.
Wait, there’s an example of Valhallan Trolls? Krug is from Feylund, if you mean him. The Dumutef is the closest thing to a troll from Valhalla, but it still isn’t a troll.
My mistake. Regardless, he looks like a D&D troll with a distinctly D&D troll power set. Valhalla is counterintuitive, and it's a fair criticism that Valhalla doesn't make sense here.

I think making a nominee fit seamlessly in the canon, as Sir H. has now done, is a pretty obvious way for a designer to help her- or himself through this process.
Oh, I have no issue with the remainder of the post, just want to make sure there wasn’t an unreleased troll or something. Leaving him “backstory blank” is fine by me. DnD trolls are all over the place as far as looks go.

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The bio you've given is the problem you've seen here, because of the association with Valhalla. Remove or change the bio, thus allowing for a more natural home world for this design, and you wouldn't have this problem with canon consistency.
Done. My original submission post has been updated without a Bio and association with Valhalla as his home world. That should take care of the reservations for this submission.
I was going to announce that the unit passed since we have a majority, but this changes things. (I also happen to support the change.) You still do need a homeworld, though. Toril or Eberron?
Toril seems appropriate.

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Covergent evolution is a thing.
Yes, and that is almost certainly the case in Heroscape lore (hence Mariedians), but I do agree that, since regeneration feels, to me, like the D&D trolls' 'hook', and there are plenty of different ways to make a troll, it would result in a more interesting game if, once a Valhallan troll is created, it has a distinct flavour of its own (as I said before, preferably mythological or folklore based).


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YAY for Toril Rujin.

Since we judge the unit as a whole we have to consider all the little details as well. It's best to do that early before testing if these things matter to you, and I happen to be a stickler for some of these details.
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YAY for Toril Rujin.

Since we judge the unit as a whole we have to consider all the little details as well. It's best to do that early before testing if these things matter to you, and I happen to be a stickler for some of these details.
No worries. I agree. Glad y’all caught the inconsistency...something - as a designer - you can occasionally fail to see until it’s put on the “chopping block”

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