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vegie's C3V/SoV Power Rankings

Rather than harass dok constantly asking him to change a bunch of figures in his rankings, I figured I would just do my own C3V power rankings but substantially better than his. A lot of credit goes to dok for maintaining the list that I used as a starting point. Many of these figures are just left where he had them: this is kind of a vegie fork of the dok power rankings. Also credit to OrcElfArmyOne for inspiring me that anyone can put a letter next to figures.

In general I most skewed rankings downward. I think dok's rankings have had a bit of grade inflation as figures tend to placed pretty highly when they are released and aren't ever moved down after that hype fades. So I've sent a few things down. I'm pretty happy with the A+ to B+ section of competitively viable figures and how I've rated them, but it's maybe a bit different from their comparative rating in traditional power rankings as things have been fanned out so that B is the center instead of B+. I think there is a lot of experimentation left to do in the C3V meta, especially with figures B+ and below: very easily some A minus figures lurking in there. What I really want to do is continue the conversation on the VC meta.

A+
Deathreavers (40*)
Marro Warriors (50)
Raelin the Kyrie Warrior (ROTV) (80)

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A
10th Regiment of Foot (75*)
4th Massachusetts Line (70*)
Blastatrons (60*)
Cathar Spearmen (75*)
Fen Hydra (120+)
Fyorlag Spiders (40*)
Gladiatrons (80*)
Greenscale Warriors (60*)
Grimnak (120)
Heavy Gruts (70*)
Isamu (10)
Knights of Weston (70*)
Krav Maga Agents (100)
Major Q9 (180)
Marcu Esenwein (20)
Marro Stingers (60*)
Nilfheim (185)
Quahon (190)
Sir Gilbert (105)
Vulcanmech Incendiborgs (180)

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A-
Airborne Elite (110)
Alastair Macdirk (110)
Axegrinders of the Burning Forge (70*)
B-11 Resistance Corps (110)
Braxas (210)
Cyprien Esenwein (150)
Death Chasers of Thesk (55*)
Darrak Ambershard (60)
Eldgrim the Viking Champion (30)
Eltahale (140)
Heracles (200)
Kaemon Awa (120)
Krug (120)
Laglor (110)
Major Q10 (150)
Marcus Decimus Gallus (100)
Me-Burq-Sa (50)
Mezzodemon Warmongers (65*)
Microcorp Troopers (80*)
Mogrimm Forgehammer (120)
Nerak the Glacian Swog Rider (50)
Phantom Knights (70*)
Roman Legionnaires (50*)
Rygarn (90)

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B+
Agent Skahen (120)
Arktos (95)
Arrow Gruts (40*)
Asterios (120)
Atlaga the Kyrie Warrior (90)
Augamo (155)
Azazel the Kyrie Warrior (140)
Azurite Warlord (145)
Black Wyrmling (30*)
Blade Gruts (40*)
Brave Arrow (50)
Brute Gruts (65)
Bol (10)
Count Raymond (90)
Crixus (90)
Dreadgul Raiders (65*)
Finn the Viking Champion (80)
Fire Elemental (35*)
Goblin Cutters (50*)
Gothlok (130)
Guilty McCreech (30)
Haduc (100)
Heirloom (90)
Horned Skull Brutes (75*)
Kon-Tar-Na (150)
Kozil (130)
Kurrok the Elementalist (120)
Major J15 (95)
Marrden Nagrubs (30*)
Marro Dividers (50*)
Marutuk (195)
Minions of Utgar (110*)
Morgoloth (140)
Ne-Gok-Sa (90)
Quorik Warwitch (110)
Red Wyrmling (30*)
Samuel Brown (60)
Sentinels of Jandar (110*)
Sgt. Drake Alexander (ROTV) (110)
Sgt. Drake Alexander (SOTM) (170)
Shieldsmiths of Granite Keep (80*)
Sonya Esenwein (45)
Swog Rider (25*)
Teeth of the Makwa (70*)
The Varja (160)
Theracus (40)
Thorgrim the Viking Champion (80)
Tor-Kul-Na (220)
Ulfrid Hornwrangler (100)
Van Nessing (105)
Venoc Warlord (120)
Warforged Soldiers (80*)
Zetacron (60)
Zelrig (185)
Zettian Deathwings (50*)

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B
53rd North Carolina Sharpshooters (55*)
8th Infantry Pathfinder (35*)
Avernus (135)
Arkmer (50)
Armoc Vipers (65*)
Ashi-Dhulu (115)
Ashigaru Harquebus (60*)
Bahadur (120)
Banshees of Durgeth Swamp (70*)
Beakface Sneaks (30*)
Beorn Boltcutter (50)
Boreos (115)
Brontos (200)
Brunak (110)
Buccaneers of Tortuga (70*)
Calibrax the Kyrie Warrior (130)
Capt. John Varan (80)
Capuan Gladiators (70*)
Charos (210)
Concan the Kyrie Warrior (80)
Deathcommander Mark 3 (130)
Deltacron (90)
Ebon Armor (125)
Elaria the Pale (60)
Emirroon (80)
Emperor Andask (130)
Frost Giant of Morh (140+)
Gorillitroopers (105*)
Havech Eradicators (90*)
Hoplitron (35*)
Hrognak (Unmounted) (60)
Izumi Samurai (60)
James Murphy (75)
Jarek Guy (100)
Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan (65)
Jorhdawn (100)
Kira Jax (30)
Knights of Blackgaard (120*)
Kursus (55)
Jotun (225)
Locksley (130)
M-43 Resistance Fighters (65*)
Maltis Tez (35)
Manauvi (110)
Marrden Hounds (90*)
Marro Drones (50*)
Marro Hive (160)
Master Lao Xin (130)
Master Win Chiu Woo (140)
Microcorp Agents (100*)
Migol Ironwill (110)
Mimring (150)
Mohican River Tribe (70*)
Moltenclaw (170)
Morsbane (100)
Myrddin (90)
Nakita Agents (120)
Nicholas Esenwein (140)
Nhah Scirh Cultists (80*)
Nottingham Brigand (35*)
Ogre Pulverizer (100+)
Omegacron (180)
Omnicron Repulsors (40*)
Omnicron Snipers (100*)
Ogre Warhulk (150+)
Otar (45)
Pel the Hill Giant (95)
Priscus (100)
Racheim (140)
Raelin the Kyrie Warrior (SOTM) (120)
Sacred Band (50*)
Seleena (35)
Sentinels of Grax (100)
Shaolin Monks (80*)
Shurrak (170)
Siege (120)
Siiv (40)
Sir Hawthorne (90)
Sir Orrick (50)
Skull Demon (65+)
Suskra (85)
Spartacus (200)
Syvarris (100)
Taelord the Kyrie Warrior (180)
Talingul (100)
Tandros Kreel (120)
Tarn Viking Warriors (50)
Tetraites (110)
Tomoe Gozen (110)
Torin (120)
Tyrian the Kyrie Warrior (110)
Ulginesh (150)
Uzog (110)
Varkaanan Greyspears (110)
Varkaanan Darkclaws (120)
Varkaanan Quickblades (100)
Varkaanan Swiftfangs (80)
Venoc Vipers (40*)
Warriors of Ashra (50*)
White Wyrmling (30*)
Xualtiaca Fire Ants (55*)
Zettian Infantry (65*)
Zogross Hardscale (120)
Zombie Hulk (60+)
Zombies of Morindan (60*)

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B-
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Achillean Gladiatrix (40*)
Air Elemental (30*)
Akumaken (110)
Ana Karithon (100)
Anubian Wolves (75*)
Arashara Goshiri (200)
Arthur of Sherwood (70)
Ashigaru Yari (40*)
Aubrien Archers (70*)
Bloodburst Thrall (30*)
Blue Wyrmling (35*)
Brimstone (150)
Chardris (90)
Chen Tang (90)
Command Courier (35*)
Crypt Guardian (60+)
Death Knights of Valkrill (60*)
Deathstalkers (100*)
Deathwalker 8000 (130)
Deathwalker 9000 (140)
Drow Chainfighter (25*)
Durgeth Ravagers (65*)
Evar Scarcarver (110)
Executioner 616 (115)
Gorillinators (90*)
Granite Guardians (100*)
Grigor & Rogirg (170)
Iron Golem (100+)
Iskra Esenwein (50)
Josie Whistlestop (70)
Kantono Daishi (120)
Kato Katsuro (200)
Kelda the Kyrie Warrior (80)
Kha (75)
Kozuke Samurai (100)
Kumiko (80)
Kyntela Gwyn (20)
Lilja (115)
Martial La Hire (70)
Mind Flayer Mastermind (100+)
Mok (220)
Morgan’s Rifleman (65)
Ninjas of the Northern Wind (110)
Ornak (100)
Othkurik the Black Dragon (140)
Otonashi (10)
Patrick Ferguson (40)
Prince al'Kahora (80)
Protectors of Ullar (110*)
Quasatch Hunters (100*)
Rendar Fy (85)
Rhogar Dragonspine (110)
Shiori (60)
Sir Denrick (100)
Skeletons of Annellintia (105*)
Sonlen (160)
Su-Bak-Na (160)
Tagawa Samurai (120)
Tagawa Samurai Archers (65*)
Tomb Skeleton Archers (30*)
Urk (65)
Valguard (110)
Varkaanan Blade Dancers (80*)
Viceron the Blood Knight (130)
Water Elemental (30*)
Warden 816 (90)
Werewolf Lord (140+)
Wolves of Badru (80*)
Wo-Sa-Ga (135)
Wyvern (100+)
Yi Feng (60)
Zaeus (130)
Zettian Guards (70)
Zhen Yuan (70)

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C+
Agent Carr (100)
Bramcephys (230)
Brandis Skyhunter (90)
Cormin the Dark (75)
Deathstrike Thrall (30*)
Deepwyrm Drow (70*)
Dumutef Guard (25*)
Earth Elemental (30*)
Eilan Sidhe (40*)
Dzu-Teh (75*)
Estivara (80)
Feral Troll (90+)
Garrett Burns (70)
Greater Ice Elemental (130+)
Gurei-Oni (100)
Hrognak (205)
Ice Troll Berserker (85+)
Macdirk Warriors (80*)
Marro Gnids (50*)
Master of the Hunt (140+)
Mika Connour (110)
Red Ants of Aunstrom (40*)
Retiarius (90)
Sharwin Wildborn (110)
Sir Dupuis (150)
Sujoah (185)
Tomb Skeletons (40*)
Tornak (100)
Tul-Bak-Ra (130)

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C
Cxurg'gyath (140)
Darkprowl Thrall (30*)
Elite Onyx Vipers (100)
Erevan Sunshadow (80)
Kee-Mo-Shi (130)
Khosumet the Darklord (75)
Moriko (110)
Parmenio (90)
Preyblood Thrall (30*)
Rechets of Bogdan (50)
Runa (120)
Saylind the Kyrie Warrior (80)
Sudema (140)

C-
Acolarh (110)
DŁnd (110)
Einar Imperium (140*)
Empress Kiova (90)
Roman Archers (55*)
Sahuagin Raider (25*)
Shades of Bleakwoode (100*)
Templar Cavalry (120*)

D
Deadeye Dan (60)
Grok Riders (130*)
Major X17 (100)
Marro Drudge (50*)
Obsidian Guards (100*)
Pelloth (100)

F
Hatamoto Taro (130)
Deathwalker 7000 (100)

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Re: vegie's C3V/SoV Power Rankings

I feel like a kid in a candy store. Much appreciation, vegie. A new set of power rankings (and that people think new ones are needed) says the meta is alive and kicking, which isn’t a guarantee that the game is healthy, but is a good indicator, I think.

I’m afraid I don’t have much certainty to contribute; I’ve never been the power-gaming type.

Not a VC unit, but I’m always interested to see where people place the Mohican River Tribe in their power rankings. It seems like they were hyped up, like a lot of Wave 9, but there’s little chatter in the Book beyond the initial speculation and calculations of probabilities; less time for people to tail off like in other books, I suppose. I’m curious as to how they ended up as a flat B in your opinion (with no implied judgement from me as to whether they do or don’t merit that, I’m genuinely curious).
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Re: vegie's C3V/SoV Power Rankings

I've always liked the Mohicans - flexible light infantry is fun - but they don't quite have enough men or enough reliability to be amazing, and I almost never manage to make use of their bonding (although I think part of that is that Brave Arrow's not really strong enough to make a point of using it).
B feels right to my eyes, maybe a fun B-.


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Re: vegie's C3V/SoV Power Rankings

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Sounds a little too presumptuous, IMHO but... I totally understand your point here, and it's always better having various point of view and cross the things up following one's preference than a unique reference.
None of them will be substantially better than another, just different.


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Re: vegie's C3V/SoV Power Rankings

So I moved the Mohicans to a flat B from a B+ as part of the ranking fan down. I think they are a a fairly close call between that B+ tier and the B tier though. They're a tough call because they're pretty reliant on how well they are played, but I see them as more along the power level of Hounds/Drones/Microcorp than Cutters/Minions/Warforged.

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So I moved the Mohicans to a flat B from a B+ as part of the ranking fan down. I think they are a a fairly close call between that B+ tier and the B tier though. They're a tough call because they're pretty reliant on how well they are played, but I see them as more along the power level of Hounds/Drones/Microcorp than Cutters/Minions/Warforged.
Interesting, but I disagree. I think theyíre one of the strongest B+ís (and certainly better than Minions and Warforged). They have a really low floor, but quite a high ceiling, and donít get screwed as much by bad matchups as the Warforged and Minions. Minions just donít get to play the game against half the cast, and Warforged are even worse IMO: too slow against range, and not efficient enough against bonding melee.
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Iíll take this as a complement, lol...
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I think Mohicans do have some bad matchups. Like Mimring is especially terrible for them but any other ranged figure that bypasses concealment is brutal. That's the obvious counter but I think Mohicans really struggle killing heroes period. I got handed Dad Scaper's Mohicans in the Main Event this year and Major X17 went off against them because they just couldn't pump damage on to him fast enough.

I think the best game I've seen from Mohicans was Bring 2 2014 when Major Q23 picked Mohicans x5, Brave Arrow against my Deathchasers x4, MBS, Nerak, Raelin. They were able to contend against Deathchasers, but the game didn't ever get super close.

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I think Mohicans do have some bad matchups. Like Mimring is especially terrible for them but any other ranged figure that bypasses concealment is brutal. That's the obvious counter but I think Mohicans really struggle killing heroes period. I got handed Dad Scaper's Mohicans in the Main Event this year and Major X17 went off against them because they just couldn't pump damage on to him fast enough.
I am fairly confident that I've played you a couple of times at GenCon and gotten slaughtered each time. You don't remember me beating you, ever, do you? Because that would give me a moment of joy, in these dark days. If that happened.

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You beat me maybe back in 2014? It was Assassin's Creed, and you teleported Tul-Bak-Ra into my start zone and killed my target by the end of the second round.

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You beat me maybe back in 2014? It was Assassin's Creed, and you teleported Tul-Bak-Ra into my start zone and killed my target by the end of the second round.
Oh, good. Now I'm pleased.

But not with the Mohicans. Because that's not how I remembered that game, either. Got it!

Thanks for putting this together. I, too, am very suspicious of dok.

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I figured I would just do my own C3V power rankings but substantially better than his.
Sounds a little too presumptuous, IMHO but... I totally understand your point here, and it's always better having various point of view and cross the things up following one's preference than a unique reference.
None of them will be substantially better than another, just different.
Iím sure Veg was joking with this line. We all give each other a hard time.
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