|
General Random thoughts and ideas. "General" does not mean random drivel, nonsense or inane silliness. |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
EDIT: Hell, one of the women even bragged about it on twitter before trying to delete it. Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! |
#38
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Whoa, that sparked some replies. I didn't read through them all yet, but to answer some of them.
It doesn't' matter if we know or not, it won't change, none of it will get fixed, nothing will happen about any of it. If you think otherwise your being overly idealistic, welcome to reality. Best line I read so far was Daddy Scapers, something to the effect of we dont' know everything that goes on because we weren't meant to know. I will see if I can dig up the articles about troop deployments and other sensitive military info that was leaked. When I get done my work for the evening. See Avatar for my most epic fail. Dec 11 - X-mas Chaos II - Baltimore, MD - clancampbell Dec 18 - Mixed Marvel - Pitman, NJ - mikelizzio |
#39
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
I can't get a link for this because I got it from a cached copy of a website, but a quote from it. But a quote from it I pulled.
"Assange’s vow to publicize more internal government documents comes in the wake of furious criticism of WikiLeaks from the Obama administration and members of Congress over its publication of 91,000 classified U.S. documents on the war in Afghanistan — at least some of which appear to identify the names of U.S. and Afghan government informants and cooperative parties in the war against the Taliban. So he's publishing the names of informants, which endangers the lives of those people, What purpose does this serve? I'll post a link If i can find a page with the whole story thats still up. See Avatar for my most epic fail. Dec 11 - X-mas Chaos II - Baltimore, MD - clancampbell Dec 18 - Mixed Marvel - Pitman, NJ - mikelizzio |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Here's what the Pentagon review on the Afghan release said...
Quote:
Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! |
#41
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
[/quote]
I was generalizing. Because of the leaks, seriously corrupt government officials could be revealed and removed from office. That's just one example.[/quote] Thats just it, they won't be removed. See Congressman Rangel, they get a slap on the wrist and it gets brushed under the rug. Idealism, vs realism. See Avatar for my most epic fail. Dec 11 - X-mas Chaos II - Baltimore, MD - clancampbell Dec 18 - Mixed Marvel - Pitman, NJ - mikelizzio |
#42
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
Here's a serious question. Everyone is up in arms over the Iraq shooting. I agree it was a sad situation, but I also know that was a hot spot where American soldiers were being killed. So, I can understand the tension that was probably there at the moment when they thought the camera was a rocket launcher. Like I said, it was a terrible situation and I am sure that those soldiers will forever be haunted by the memory of hurting those children and killing those innocent people. Anyways, to my question. Do we know anything that took place afterward? Was there any punishment followed up on the officer who ordered the "light em' up" call or the soldiers who actually fired upon the civilians? Heroscape is a gateway into a wonderful world of games that I never would've known existed otherwise. |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! |
#44
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
I don't think that's the standard that people should hold themselves to. In my opinion, if one person dies as a result of what Assange does, that's too many. |
#45
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
Quote:
Perhaps what it boils down to is whether we think our governments are currently corrupt. If you don't, if you think everything your government does is above board and done in the interests of your country, then in your opinion, there is no need for a media that exposes that corruption, or in it's abscence, wikileaks. CRC |
#46
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
But I expect a competent government to be conducting diplomacy, by which I mean, smoothing something over with Country A while also making it palatable to Country B, though neither likes the other. It's the difference between partial press Diplomacy and broadcast only Diplomacy, for those familiar with the PBEM version of that excellent board game. Posting a string of examples of things that arguably should have been released is not an argument in favor of the *bulk* release of *all of it*. This quote describes the damage done to the diplomatic process: Quote:
|
#47
|
||||
|
||||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
I am in the camp that says that Assange is a villain.
In my estimation, there is a vast difference between information people NEED to know, and information people are not privy to. The information Assange released was not information we are privy to. Originally, if what I have read is true, WikiLeaks focused mainly on China and what they were doing from a humanitarian viewpoint, but switched gears midstream and then focused on the US. I believe the switch was around the time when Bush was president and everyone hated the US. The information Assange released wasn't information about humanitarian abuses, or the like, or even information which would show vast abuses to light, but basically what diplomat A thinks of diplomat B, or politician A thinks of politician B (in the most generalized sense ever) or classified data in regards to a war which is being fought. Is this information we really need to know? No. We vote for people in office for a reason, and that's what our system is for. There has to be a line drawn in the sand between information people need to know, and what they are not privy to. If there is no differential between the two, the system can be easily abused. An open system is not a free system, just the opposite. Assange isn't some freedom fighter, just a very angry computer nerd with a chip on his shoulder. I don't know if you all have heard, but reddit posted his profile on the free dating site OKCupid before they removed it. I did manage to see it before it was removed, and honestly, the profile scared me. In his profile he went into lengths about speaking about his interests in "conspiracy theories" and how world governments affect people, and generally, his profile seemed to be the ramblings of a paranoid man. He also touted his "Nordic" looks and that he was looking for a "casual" relationship. Funny how he was charged with sexual assault recently. Here's a link to an articles on the matter (the profile)....it wasn't the original one I saw a week or two ago, but I guess it works... http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/201...pidprofile6166 The cake is a lie. -Insert Witty Signature Here- |
#48
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Wikileaks' Julian Assange - Hero or Villain?
Quote:
Quote:
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Stephen Baker the inventor of Hero Quest and Hero Scape | legolasbaker | HeroScape General Discussion | 169 | August 20th, 2019 11:20 AM |
WikiLeaks | Gulp | General | 5 | July 21st, 2010 12:20 PM |
Role playing Marvel hero/Villain | Monk | Battle Reports | 3 | February 11th, 2010 10:46 AM |
Villain point totals problem | badgermaniac | Comic Hero Custom Creations | 8 | August 22nd, 2008 09:23 PM |
Hero Games - Champions, Fantasy Hero, etc. | Carnival Man | Other Games | 5 | February 14th, 2007 12:07 AM |