4th Mass or 10th regiment

[stumpy_man]

Now that we have seen the 10th regiment's final stats, do you think the redcoats could give the 4th mass a run for their money in a tournament scenario? Both squads work well with the romans so who would you rather have? What do you think are the different strategies where one would be better than the other?

[Jexik]

4th Mass in a Valiant Army>Redcoats in a Marcus army>4th Mass in a Marcus army>Either one in a non-Marcus army

[stumpy_man]

I agree. When you're not playing all valiant the 10th regiment give you much more flexibility than the 4th mass for just 5 points more.

[jedilou]

I apologize if this is the wrong thread to throw this out there. I thought it was relevant at least to the overall comparing and discussing of the two units.

Anyone think there will be a Valiant Leader coming out with "Valiant Influence", something like Parmenio's "Disciplined Influence"?

That would allow the 4th to get some additional flexibility, but not quite as much as the 10th Foot.

It'd be neat if they introduce a historical figure who led a valiant, but seemingly unwinable war/battle - ex - William Wallace or maybe one of the Civil War generals (which would make lots of 'scapers happy).

[ParaGoomba Slayer]

Originally Posted by jedilou

I apologize if this is the wrong thread to throw this out there. I thought it was relevant at least to discussions of the two units.

Anyone think there will be a Valiant Leader coming out with "Valiant Influence", something like Parmenio's "Disciplined Influence"?

That would allow the 4th to get some additional flexibility, but not quite as much as the 10th Foot.

It'd be neat if they introduce a historical figure who lead a valiant, but seemingly unwinable war/battle - ex - William Wallace or maybe one of the Civil War generals (which would make lots of 'scapers happy).

The 4th Mass. need no more power.

Cough Cough Alastair Cough Cough

[Jexik]

Originally Posted by jedilou

I apologize if this is the wrong thread to throw this out there. I thought it was relevant at least to the overall comparing and discussing of the two units.

Anyone think there will be a Valiant Leader coming out with "Valiant Influence", something like Parmenio's "Disciplined Influence"?

That would allow the 4th to get some additional flexibility, but not quite as much as the 10th Foot.

It'd be neat if they introduce a historical figure who led a valiant, but seemingly unwinable war/battle - ex - William Wallace or maybe one of the Civil War generals (which would make lots of 'scapers happy).

While it sounds like a fun ability thematically, I think that would totally bork the game. Old Raelin-Valiant? Ouch.

[ParaGoomba Slayer]

Originally Posted by Jexik

4th Mass in a Valiant Army>Redcoats in a Marcus army>4th Mass in a Marcus army>Either one in a non-Marcus army

Where is "Red Coats in a Marcus and Old Raelin army"?

[jedilou]

After reflection, I agree with both PG Slayer and Jexik.

4th Mass. doesn't need help (A+ already). Valiant Influence is a BAD idea. D'oh!

[Jexik]

Originally Posted by ParaGoomba Slayer

Where is "Red Coats in a Marcus and Old Raelin army"?

Here.

4th Mass in a Valiant Army> Redcoats in Marcus and old Raelin army= 4th Mass in a Marcus and old Raelin army= Either squad in a good 'junk' army> Redcoats in a Marcus army= 4th Mass in a Marcus army

[Aldin]

Hmmm...

2x4th Mass
2xKnights
Sir Gilbert

vs.

2x10th Foot
3xLegos
Marcus

You got me, Sparky

~Aldin, who needs to play it out

[Heroscape Elffy]

Originally Posted by jedilou

4th Mass. doesn't need help (A+ already). Valiant Influence is a BAD idea. D'oh!

I disagree. Just because Spider_Poison ranks them an A+ on his grading scale, doesn't mean they need no help. A+ is just for those OCDs who need to know who is 'Good.' If you had an army of all A+ units, and I had all C-s, would I loose? No, not necessarily. Just because they have been given an A+, does not make them better than any other unit. They still need help. An example for you. Do you think 8.2 (yes, .2) squads of 4th Mass could, alone, take out three of the biggest squad killers, Nilfheim, Q9,and Braxas. Try it. While those 3 have high grades also, (Nilfheim, A. Braxas, A-. Q9, A+) it doesn't automatically mean they are going to win against an army that includes many of the following:
D+
Acolarh (110)
Kelda the Kyrie Warrior (80)
Khosumet the Darklord (75)
Morsbane (100)
Obsidian Guards (100*)
Runa (120)
Shiori (60)
Sudema (140)
Templar Cavalry (120*)

D
Kyntela Gwyn (20)
Spartacus (200)

D-
Dünd (110)

F
Deathwalker 7000 (100)
Hatamoto Taro (130)

Just because people give grades to figures, doesn't make the figure bad. Hatamoto is good in a Samurai Army. DW7K is good if you can roll high on a d20. While it takes luck, it doesn't make anything less good because they have a low rank on the scale. Just because 4th Mass in A+, doesn't mean they don't need help.
~Elffy~

[Taeblewalker]

I think that if the 4th Mass are defending (i.e., the 10th are marching toward them), they will have a momentary advantage until the 10th reach them, then quickly lose the advantage if they don't kill off the 10th at range (in one turn, barring difficult terrain such as elevations, slippery ice, etc.).

After that, the 10 will have the advantage.

If the 4th are the ones who have to advance on the 10th, then the 10th should easily win on average.