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Re: The Great Controversy -- or Is It Really?
I think what we are running up against in the mutablity of beliefs.
In one extreem we have the secularist, with their ablity to shift with devolpements in science, understanding and ethics. These were the first people who adopted new positions such as abolishing salvery or a helocentric veiw of the solar system. In the middle is progressive relgion. I think the current Pope is a good example. As we make new discovers and re-evaluate our own morality change comes, hence the current catholic stance on Climate change. On the other end is the (virtually) imutable fundamentalist. Change comes slowly, if at all. Normally this is where the word of God is law, regardless of evidence. I may think that believing the earth is only 6000 years old is crazy but to a fundamentalist I'm just as crazy for turning my back on the literal word of god. Some thing should be immutable (murder is wrong, the earth is round, knowledge is good, etc.) Other things should progress (11 year olds should not get married, newton's theory of gravity gets replaced by Einstien's, etc). The rub is trying to accept which things should change, which are irrelevent, and which things should stay the same. I think it is less about what you are discussing, but what drives the beliefs that dictate the side you take. Understand the source and you will understand the arguement. Change can only come from the source. |
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If we are talking governmental authority then the law says gays can marry. Back to how does other people's sins affect your soul. You reference Sadom and Gamora. Do you believe Americans will be turned into pillars of salt because gay marriage is legal? If you are turned into salt for these reasons will your soul go to Hell? You believe souls have gone to Hell solely based on the sins of others? A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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If sin is to only be judged by God then why does any Christian judge any person's sin? They shouldn't. James 4:11b-12 "When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?" (NIV) If we are talking governmental authority then the law says gays can marry. Sure. That's not quite right, but it's close enough. A month ago, the Federal government had not interpreted existing law as affirming the right of people to marry others of the same gender. Now it has. Back to how does other people's sins affect your soul. Only in that being surrounded by people making poor decisions makes it easier for us to make poor decisions. At least, I think you meant that to be a question. It's sorta phrased as a question, so I kinda ignored the period at the end. You reference Sadom and Gamora. I didn't, actually. Do you believe Americans will be turned into pillars of salt because gay marriage is legal? Nope. If you are turned into salt for these reasons will your soul go to Hell? So, theoretically, if I was turned into a pillar of salt because gay marriage is legal would my soul go to hell? Ummm... you know, I honestly have no idea how to answer that. Let's just say that I don't think turning into a pillar of salt would have any effect one way or another on my eternal disposition. You believe souls have gone to Hell solely based on the sins of others? Now THAT is a fascinating theological question. But I am 99% sure that your focus in asking it has nothing to do with my fascination. I think you want to know if I think someone can go to hell because Joe next door slept with his wife's best friend. The answer to that question is no. I'm having so much fun responding to these though that I want to go the extra mile here. Christian theology states that all mankind has a sin nature we inherit due to the original sin of Adam. One can therefore theorize that had Adam not sinned, no one would go to hell. Also, redemption is assigned and not earned. So any soul which goes to heaven does so solely based on the sinlessness of another. If Jesus had sinned, everyone would go to hell. Given the reciprocity there, I think that at least with regard to Adam the answer is yes. ~Aldin, point by point He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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I appreciate the responses, I always enjoy these exchanges. You have yet to fail to sway my thinking in some way on past discussions and I am grateful for that.
You are making less headway here although I find your Adam response quite impressive. Thank you. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Speaking of Adam, was he the first caveman with their low intelligence and look, or was he higher on the IQ tree than cavemen and look like he's depicted in paintings? Something I've always wondered, and my buddy and I have discussed and wondered at work.
Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Here is another one. What race was Adam?
How did all the other races come to be? EDIT: Actually I think we discussed this before. I do have a follow up question. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey Last edited by Tornado; July 2nd, 2015 at 07:51 AM. |
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Here's an interesting article, called "Gay marriage: A sad day for America?"
This is an interesting part of that article as it relates how religion was used as a reason to maintain segregation in churches. Quote:
Also, I had seen another article about a Baptist minister in Tennessee who owned a hardware store and after the Supreme Court ruling, he posted a sign in the front window of his store that said, "No Gays Allowed." The next day he switched it for one that said, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone who would violate our freedom of speech and freedom of religion." What I find interesting is that this is all based on the Supreme Court ruling to allow gays to be legally married. This Baptist minister and others like him don't like homosexuals, based on their religious beliefs, but what about other sins that go against their religious beliefs? If their religious convictions were so strong regarding sin and not wanting to serve sinners, why is the sin of homosexuality the only one they targeted? Same with that pizza place in Indiana a few months ago that was not wanting to serve gays. This was right after our Governor made it legal to discriminate against the LGBT community because of religion. Though it was shortly changed due to the uproar and unwanted attention brought upon our state. But back to the pizza place. Why have a sign only about not wanting to serve gays? It's against their religious beliefs because it's a sin? But what about all the other sins? This pizza place and the hardware store in Tennessee are fine serving all other sinners, just not homosexuals it seems. Then when there is uproar against this, those people and others cry that their religious freedoms are being taken away etc. But to me, it was only their practice of discrimination via religion that was being challenged. I get that a lot of people are uncomfortable with homosexuals and anything related to them. I mean, I don't really want to see dudes making out all over the place, but then again, I don't really want to see male/females making out all over the place either. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Maybe straight marriage should be banned, because it's been shown to screw up the raising of a child. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Read through the whole thread, Scaperdude. It's not long, as these threads go.
If you feel like you still have something to add when you get to the end, then go for it. |
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