The Book of Penguin

[A3n]

Originally Posted by NecroBlade

The thing with the fly-over boosting the attack is that special attacks are never modified. So while I understand the logic and theme, "in Heroscape, height advantage adds to your attack" doesn't ever actually apply to special attacks.

That's not an issue as the boost would be written into the special attack not the fly-over power.

cheers

[NecroBlade]

I know that. But the logic that "he has height advantage when flying, therefore he should get extra attack dice" is flawed in Heroscape.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

I am just thinking aloud here because Aldin's got me thinking: why does Penguin move so well normally? He should be less mobile, probably 3, and his helicoptor, IMO, should be three also. But, he should get additional Attack dice on Umbrella Gun if he doesn't use the Umbrellacoptor. Thoughts?

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Spidey'tilIDie

I am just thinking aloud here because Aldin's got me thinking: why does Penguin move so well normally? He should be less mobile, probably 3, and his helicoptor, IMO, should be three also. But, he should get additional Attack dice on Umbrella Gun if he doesn't use the Umbrellacoptor. Thoughts?

My thought is that a move of 3 is absolute garbage and completely a waste. I think that 4 is as low as it gets for anyone IMO.

[whitestuff]

Penguin always seems to be fairly mobile when running away from Batman...

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Originally Posted by Griffin

My thought is that a move of 3 is absolute garbage and completely a waste. I think that 4 is as low as it gets for anyone IMO.

Respectfully, Oswald is vertically challenged and by no means should move as fast as a normal human. He waddles. And to whitestuff's point, that has more to do with where he runs, than how fast.

[Hahma]

Professor X has a move of 4. I can't see anyone really going lower than that.

[IAmBatman]

I think what Griffin means and Hahma is saying is that if you give someone a move of 3 they're pretty much unplayable.

[Griffin]

Matt Helm's ERB response:

I like the stats and I like the ideas, but I think there is risk/reward balance missing that would make him almost un-draft worthy. Of course I'm talking about the negative aspect of Self Importance.

As written, 35% of your turns will have to be taken with Penguin!?! Now I know the Special Attack becomes a little better because the Copter becomes a little better by Self Importance (Argh... that's a chain to follow but after the first time playing, it should get to be easy enough to remember) but it doesn't seem to be potent enough to want to risk this guy on your team.

Based on his slow moving (4 normal and 2 with copter), until this game gets really underway, you may be forced to be putting this guy around for 4 spaces every third turn without having anyone to attack. And once you do get him close enough, the opponent will engage him so that every time Self Importance kicks in, he runs the risk of leaving engagement strikes if he wants to use the copter.

My first suggestion is raise the number on Self Importance to 18.

Then I think there has to be some better wording on the Attack:

UMBRELLA GUN SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 3. Attack 3.
Add 2 additional attack dice if Penguin used his Umbrella-Copter 2 Special Power this turn to pass over a figure defending against Umbrella Gun Special Attack. After attacking with Umbrella Gun Special Attack, Penguin may attack one additional time.

I hope all that made sense.

[Griffin]

As written, 35% of your turns will have to be taken with Penguin!?! Now I know the Special Attack becomes a little better because the Copter becomes a little better by Self Importance (Argh... that's a chain to follow but after the first time playing, it should get to be easy enough to remember) but it doesn't seem to be potent enough to want to risk this guy on your team.

Based on his slow moving (4 normal and 2 with copter), until this game gets really underway, you may be forced to be putting this guy around for 4 spaces every third turn without having anyone to attack. And once you do get him close enough, the opponent will engage him so that every time Self Importance kicks in, he runs the risk of leaving engagement strikes if he wants to use the copter.

My first suggestion is raise the number on Self Importance to 18.

I see the value of the current power, but it does concern me if Matt and others don't see that the reward is worth the risk. I could see bumping the D20 roll but not as high as 18. I would go as high as 16 (half way from the current to Matt's suggestion).

Then I think there has to be some better wording on the Attack:

UMBRELLA GUN SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 3. Attack 3.
Add 2 additional attack dice if Penguin used his Umbrella-Copter 2 Special Power this turn to pass over a figure defending against Umbrella Gun Special Attack. After attacking with Umbrella Gun Special Attack, Penguin may attack one additional time.

I just don't like that wording, plain and simple. I think that the double attack aspect definitely needs to come first to establish that it applies with or without the modifier.

[IAmBatman]

It seems like boosting his normal Umbrellacopter move to 3 might alleviate most of the concerns of both of our ERB members here.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

It seems like boosting his normal Umbrellacopter move to 3 might alleviate most of the concerns of both of our ERB members here.

Done, and I changed the D20 roll on SI to 16.