The Book of Falcon (MCU)

[IAmBatman]

I'd try 190.

[johnny139]

Lots of short powers! What I like to see. I agree that I'd like him toned down a bit. Maybe aiming for 170? 650 gives you a fairly nice block at least, and that slots him nicely between regular Falcon and SamCap.

Should he have the AU symbol? 616 Falcon isn't a Soldier, so if he's explicitly MCU he should probably have one.

Here's some concept art that should work - might be the same piece the sculpt was based on, actually.

[Arch-vile]

Crossover Symbol guidelines
1) You can clearly prove that this is a separate character from the previously designed version of the character in C3G, this can be done a variety of ways: separate wiki pages, images of them both in the same comic panel, etc
2) mechanically these two characters in the same army does not cause any problematic combos (no different than any two characters with completely different names would be considered)
3) there isn’t some weird comic rule where the characters absolutely cannot meet each other.

Passes all three criteria. Definitely an unusual use of the symbol, but by these metrics I guess it should have one. Mechanically it's basically irrelevant so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[IAmBatman]

If he ends up at 190, then I think Widow at 230 would give the four of them a 900 point army, which seems cool.

[MrNobody]

The decision we ended up coming to was basically that the LD gets to choose with the crossover symbol, right? If we want to have a wider conversation about TV/movie characters and the CO symbol I'm okay with that, but it feels like we already did a whole thread of that and it didn't get us anywhere.

I think johnny's criteria that (unlike Iron Man, Winter Soldier, etc.) there's no way you can generalize this Falcon as being 616 Falcon makes some sense as a guideline.

[IAmBatman]

Oh snap. Killer Frost should have a CO symbol, shouldn't she?

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Oh snap. Killer Frost should have a CO symbol, shouldn't she?

Nope, if you make the comic version she gets it now. Always whoever comes second was also something we agreed on.

[IAmBatman]

Ah, yes, all good.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

You were really trying to make poor tickle update that thing again

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

Nope, if you make the comic version she gets it now. Always whoever comes second was also something we agreed on.

With the notable exception of Lois Lane - Superwoman came first, but it was agreed she'd get the symbol.

If this guy gets it, I still maintain that 60s Batman should get it too, since he's clearly a distinct character from the mainstream versions much like this guy is.

[Arch-vile]

SP updated with 4 defense, 190 points, and crossover symbol.

I propose for initial testing.


COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?
No

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?
No

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?
No

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?
No

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?
No

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?
Yep, probably not with the restrictions here

Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?
No

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?
No

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?
By design double attack benefits from stat boosts

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?
No

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?
No

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?
No

Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?
No

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?
No

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?
No

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?
No

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?
No

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?
No

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (LONG FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

1. Are the character’s name and secret identity listed in a consistent format with the rest of the project? If the character shares a name and/or secret identity with another character is it properly clear whether or not they are the same character?
Consistent. Added the crossover symbol as this is explicitly the MCU Falcon.

2. Consider the listed Species. Are the design’s power level, point level, and statistics (life, move, range, attack, and defense numbers) within the established range for that species? If it’s an outlier, is there thematic justification for this?
Consistent with other Humans with guns

3. Consider the listed Uniqueness. Does the power text properly reflect whether the figure is a Hero or a squad, and whether it is Event, Unique, Uncommon, or common? If it’s Event, are the powers written with consideration for Event Hero rules? If it’s Uncommon, are the powers written to avoid stacking? If it’s common, are the powers written with this in mind?
Unique Hero

4. Consider the Class and Personality. For each, is it a reuse? If so, is the character thematically consistent with other members of that Class or Personality? If not, is there a preexisting Class or Personality that would fit as well that could be used instead? Are there any existing synergies with that Class or Personality that are undesirable or that this Design would create that would be undesirable for preexisting members of that Class or Personality?
Soldier - the synergy is desired and he's former military
Patriotic - dude becomes Captain America later on

5. Consider the listed Size. If the figure is double based, is it Large or Huge? Is the chosen miniature’s physical size consistent with other miniatures in the chosen size category? Consider the listed Height. If you stack hexes up next to the figure, does the number listed for the height match up the layers of stacked hexes that match the miniature’s physical height?
Medium 5, all good.

7. Consider the listed Life number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same species?
4-5 life is standard for Humans. 4 is consistent with past Falcons.

8. Consider the listed Move number. Is this number consistent with other figures of that power level?
6 is expected for his quick flying abilities

9. Consider the listed Range and Attack numbers. Is this number consistent with other figures that use the same type of weapon or power to attack?
Pretty consistent with other small gun users.

10. Consider the listed Defense number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same or similar species and with the same or similar armor or other defensive equipment?
4 defense is consistent with Falcon 1

11. Does the figure have Super Strength? If it does or doesn’t, was this determined on the standard of that character demonstrating three things: A. The ability to throw a car B. The ability to survive a fall from a tall building and C. The ability to knock back another person when punching them?
No super strength

12. Examine all of the special powers. Are there other powers that fit the same theme already in existence in the project? If so, can they be reused? If they can’t, can those other powers be used as a basis for the mechanics and wording?
3 old powers here, 1 new power with simple mechanics

13. Examine any movement powers. Do they keep the figure’s speed consistent with other figures of their species and power level?
yes

14. Examine any offensive powers. Do they keep the figure’s offensive potential consistent with other figures with the same powers and power levels or skills and weaponry?
yes

15. Examine any defensive, healing, or other tanking powers. Do they keep the figure’s survivability consistent with other figures of the same powers or power level or species and armor class?
no defensive powers

16. Examine any leadership powers. Do they exceed the activation potential of the best existing leaders? If so, is there thematic justification for this?
N/A

17. Consider any powers that reference darkness, electrical, figure movement, fire, gas, ice, kryptonite, light/sensory, magical, poison, psychic, stealth, or water-based abilities. Do these behave in similar ways to other powers of this type, including mentions of immunities?
N/A

18. Is it clear for all special powers what phase of the turn and how they are triggered, what phase of the turn they are active in, and when and how they cease being active?
Should be clear

19. Are special powers listed in game, round, and turn order?
The two flying powers are at the end. If people prefer a different order let me know.

20. If a special power includes a D20 roll, does it make sense to list a number by the title?
N/A

21. If a power is being reused, are the title and wording copied accurately?
yes

22. Has the power title or a very similar one been used before with vastly different mechanics?
no

[tcglkn]

Yea, didn't have too much of a problem with low 200s for him personally. Seems arguably pretty comparable in tech and training to Batman just less iconic.