The Book of Magneto (AoA)

[Arkham]

Yeah, wasn't too concerned with him, as all of his stuff would want you picking him with all Rebels to maximize his usefulness. But in general I think they should all get it. If they don't, it's not something I care that much about, but it meets the criteria from my understanding. Iceman, Jean, and Kitty especially so(as well as Nightcrawler, but he bypasses on SI technicality), as they were the ones to directly crossover with those from 616, and I believe Magneto saw visions or something? Can't recall for sure, but Bishop sort of ties their different realities together and makes all that apparent to them.

[IAmBatman]

I believe our process right now is if the LD believes the symbol should be on, they note it in the SP and make sure it's known (so we don't have a Final Editing battle) and folks should make known whether they're good with that or not.

[Arkham]

Still need one more vote, but here's what I'm thinking game wise for thorough testing. Feel free to chime in @LordVenoc if you feel anything is missing.

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Magneto (AoA)

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Army Test 1 @340
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Magneto(340), Sabretooth(270), Colossus(315), Shadowcat(185), Wild Child(160) (1270)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Spider-Man(250), Daredevil(200), Jessica Jones(220), Moon Knight(150) (1270)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R3T1: 1 wound on Jessica Jones(+1). (+1 from X-MST)
R3T2: 1 wound on Iron Fist. (+1 from X-MST)

Lead the Rebellion:
R1: win initiative
R2: win initiative
R3: win initiative

Reactive Toss 9:
R3T1: rolls a 19+2=21 when Cage engages, tosses him away into water.
R3T3: rolls a 1 when Cage engages, fails.

Notes:
R1T3: Wild Child puts 2 wounds on Spider-Man(botch).
R1T3: Fist heals 1 wound off Spider-Man. Cage puts 1 wound on Wild Child, but Sabretooth takes it instead.
R2T1: Sabretooth puts 1 wound on Luke Cage with VS, puts 1 wound on him with an attack, then heals 1 wound.
R2T1: Jessica puts 1 wound on Sabretooth, then views the X on Wild Child. Luke Cage kills Sabretooth.
R2T2: Shadowcat puts 3 wounds on Jessica.
R2T2: Fist puts 3 wounds on Wild Child. Luke Cage kills Wild Child.
R2T3: Colossus puts 4 wounds on Iron Fist.
R2T3: Fist puts 2 wounds on Colossus, then heals 1 wound. Cage kills Shadowcat(botch).
R3T1: Fist puts 2 wounds on Colossus, then heals 1 wound.
R3T2: Fist kills Colossus.
R3T3: Fist puts 4 wounds on Magneto. Cage kills Magneto.


Jessica Jones with 4/5 wounds, Iron Fist with 3/5 wounds, Luke Cage with 2/5 wounds, and Spider-Man with 1/5 wounds. Daredevil and Moon Knight unwounded.

This was a pretty big beating the Rebels took. Not a whole lot to say other than the Fighters were hitting big attacks, and the Rebels just couldn't get anything going into their favor. Sabretooth had 1 VS roll. Colossus had no extra attacks. Magneto's Lead the Rebellion never triggered.

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Army Test 2 @340
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Magneto(340), Sabretooth(270), Scarlet Witch(255), Shadowcat(185) (1150)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(300), Iron Fist(260) (1150)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R1T3: 1 wound on Gamora(+2). (+1 from X-MST)
R2 LTR: 1 wound on Star-Lord(+1). (+1 from height, +1 from X-MST)
R4T3: 1 wound on Star-Lord, kills him. (+1 from X-MST)
R5T2: 1 wound on Nebula.
R5T3: 1 wound on Nebula.
R6T1: 3 wounds on Nebula. (+1 from height)
R6T2: 2 wounds on Nebula, kills her.

Lead the Rebellion:
R1: win
R2: loses, triggers.
• Magneto takes his turn.
• 1: Scarlet places Hex marker on Gamora, then puts 2 wounds on Iron Fist.
• 2: Sabretooth puts 1 wound on Gamora with VS, then puts 3 wounds on her with an attack(Scarlet forces her to re-roll a shield), and heals 1 wound.
• 3: Shadowcat puts 2 wounds on Star-Lord(botch).

Reactive Toss 9:
R6T1: rolls a 10, tosses Nebula away denying her VS and putting her at a lower level.
R6T2: rolls a 3, fails.

Notes:
R1T1: Scarlet puts a marker on Shadowcat.
R1T3: Nebula(+2) puts 4 wounds on Sabretooth(+1).
R1end: Sabretooth heals 1 wound.
R2T1: Gamora(+1 and auto) kills Sabretooth.
R2T2: Scarlet's hex is used on Shadowcat to re-roll her RP roll, succeeding. Iron Fist heals 1 wound. Nebula puts 1 wound on Scarlet.
R2T3: Gamora(+1 and auto) puts 1 wound on Scarlet(+1).
R3T1: Fist heals 1 wound off Gamora. Scarlet re-rolls her defense to avoid wound from Nebula.
R3T1: Scarlet hexes Iron Fist, then kills him.
R3T2: Shadowcat(+2) puts 1 wound on Gamora with GA, then puts 2 wounds on Star-Lord.
R3T3: Magneto takes 1 wound from LEA.
R4T1: Gamora puts 1 wound on Scarlet. Shadowcat dodges Nebula's attack thanks to X-MST +2.
R4T2: Nebula kills Scarlet.
R4T2: Shadowcat(+2) kills Gamora(+1, botch).
R4T3: Nebula(+1) puts 2 wounds on Shadowcat(botch).
R5T3: Nebula kills Shadowcat with VS.
R5end: Nebula heals 1 wound.
R6T2: Nebula puts 2 wounds on Magneto with VS, then 1 more wound with an attack.


Magneto with 4/5 wounds(1 life remaining).

Very close finish that could have gone either way. Felt pretty even throughout. Lead the Rebellion definitely allowed the Rebels to dish out some nice wounds in one go to start off round 2, but were unable to finish off anyone to eliminate turns, and the Guardians hit back. Still fun and useful. X-Men Stand Together's bonus of the +1 attack and +2 to a d20 roll also helped in a couple instances, as did Magneto's Reactive Toss denying Nebula 1 VS attempt.

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Army Test 3 @340
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Magneto(340), Wild Child(160), Colossus(315), Shadowcat(185) (1000)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R3T3: 3 wounds on Mr. Fantastic.
R4T2: 1 wound on Mr. Fantastic.

Lead the Rebellion:
R1: win
R2: lose, triggers.
• Magneto takes his turn.
• Shadowcat puts 3 wounds on Invisible Woman(botch).
• Colossus(+1) puts 4 wounds on Human Torch(+5) in 3 attacks.
• Wild Child heals 1 wound.

Reactive Toss 9:
R4T1: rolls a 5, fails.

Notes:
R1T1: Mr. F rolls a 1.
R1T2: Mr. F rolls a 19. Mr. Fantastic puts 3 wounds on Wild Child.
R1T3: Wild Child heals 1 wound.
R1T3: Mr. F rolls a 14. Mr. Fantastic puts 1 wound on Wild Child.
R1end: Wild Child heals 1 wound.
R2T1: Mr. F rolls a 14. Mr. F puts 1 wound on Wild Child.
R2T2: Mr. F rolls a 4. Thing(+4) puts 2 wounds on Colossus in 2 attacks. Mr. Fantastic kills Wild Child.
R2T3: Mr. F rolls a 6. Thing(+4) puts 3 wounds on Colossus in 2 attacks.
R3T1: Shadowcat kills Human Torch with GA, then puts 1 wound on Invisible Woman.
R3T1: Mr. F rolls a 14. Thing(+5) kills Colossus.
R3T2: Shadowcat kills Invisible Woman.
R3T2: Mr. F rolls a 14. Shadowcat dodges Thing's attack.
R3T3: Mr. F rolls a 12. Thing(+4) kills Shadowcat.
R4T1: Mr. F rolls an 8. Thing puts 1 wound on Magneto.
R4T2: Thing(+4) kills Magneto in 2 attacks.


Mr. Fantastic with 4/5 wounds, and Thing unwounded.

Fairly close game here, which could have gone a bit differently had Thing not been able to keep hitting big attacks due to wounded allies staying on the board for so long. Magneto and the Rebels still performed well, and I think it felt pretty even for most of the match.

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Army Test 4 @340
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Magneto(340), Nightcrawler(230), Sabretooth(270), Wild Child(160) (1000)
vs.
Nightwing(200), Superboy(240), Starfire(210), Raven(190), Red Robin(160) (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:
R2 LTR: 1 wound on Starfire. (+1 X-MST)

Lead the Rebellion:
R1: win
R2: lose, triggers.
• Magneto takes his turn.
• Sabretooth puts 1 wound on Starfire with VS, then heals 1 wound.
• Wild Child(+3) puts 1 wound on Starfire.
• Nightcrawler puts 1 wound on Nightwing with RT.

Reactive Toss 9:
R3T1: rolls an 11, tosses Nightwing adjacent to Nightcrawler.

Notes:
R1T3: TTG! Starfire puts 2 wounds on Sabretooth(botch).
R1end: Sabretooth heals 1 wound.
R2T1: Starfire(+1) puts 1 wound on Sabretooth.
R2T2: TTG! Raven absorbs 3 wounds from Starfire's card, then places one of them onto Sabretooth. Starfire(+1) puts 1 wound on Sabretooth in 3 attacks. Nightwing puts 1 wound on Sabretooth in 2 attacks.
R2T3: Starfire(+1) kills Sabretooth in 2 attacks.
R3T1: TTG! Superboy avoids LEA, puts 3 wounds on Wild Child. Raven removes a wound and places it on Wild Child, killing him. Nightwing takes 1 wound from Nightcrawler's RT.
R3T1: Nightcrawler uses 3 RTs to put 1 wound on Nightwing(but fails follow up to kill), and 1 wound on Superboy.
R3T2: Superboy's attack is evaded by Nightcrawler, then takes 1 wound from his RT.
R3T2: Nightcrawler kills Nightwing with RT, but fails the other 2 attempts.
R3T3: Starfire puts 2 wounds on Nightcrawler in 3 attacks.
R3T3: Nightcrawler uses RT to put 1 wound on Superboy, Raven, and Starfire.
R4T1: Nightcrawler uses RT to put 1 wound on Raven but fails the other 2 attempts.
R4T1: Starfire puts 1 wound on Nightcrawler, then on the 2nd attack Nightcrawler evades with his RT, putting a wound on Superboy(but fails the follow up to kill), then Starfire(+1) kills Nightcrawler on the 3rd attack.
R4T2: Raven absorbs 1 wound off Superboy, then puts it on Magneto.
R4T3: Starfire kills Magneto in 4 attacks.


Superboy with 3/5 wounds, Raven with 3/5 wounds, Starfire with 1/5 wounds, and Red Robin unwounded.

A bit of a rough match for the Rebels. Lead the Rebellion was alright, but couldn't get the job done enough to make it worth it. The Titans proceeded to control the match from there, even though Nightcrawler made a nice attempt for some wounds, they weren't enough.

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Army Test 5 @340
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Magneto(340), Rogue(300), Sabretooth(270), Jean Grey(240), Iceman(260) (1410)
vs.
Cyclops(240), Phoenix(230), Nightcrawler(210), Sage(190), Wolverine(280), Archangel(260) (1410)

Spoiler Alert!

Normal Attack Damage:


Lead the Rebellion:


Reactive Toss 9:


Notes:



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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
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[IAmBatman]

yea though never mind checklists.

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

yea though never mind checklists.

I do them mentally at least if that makes you feel better at all. I spend hours on the powers, comparing to other figures, previous versions, and putting together the wording. Certainly nothing I just half haphazardly slap together in a few minutes.

[IAmBatman]

I wouldn't have thought anything was haphazard at all, no.

[LordVenoc]

Nope. No concerns from me here. I considered suggesting a more disruptiony foe, but the Magneto's main power makes that not really overly effective in the long run. Quite a big beating in the first one.

[johnny139]

Cool with where he landed here, though I didn't quite mind just having him give out double turns as well. Interesting that he's all-in on Rebels here and doesn't care about Mutant-ness, but I suppose AoA Magneto is carrying Xavier's banner, so I think that's justifiable here.

Not really into the crossover symbol here for reasons that have been litigated before, and I'd probably simplify the second power a bit to something more like "REBEL STAND" or "X-MEN UNITY" - it reads a little clunky to me as-is, but that's just my preference.

[Arkham]

Hmmm...

Well, I finished 4 games for the initials. He's gone 1-3.
Win:
• Very close win against the Guardians, coming down to a 1 life Magneto.

Losses:
• Huge blowout loss against the Fighters.
• Medium loss against the Fantastic Four.
• Big loss against the Titans.

Lead the Rebellion is useful, but I'm noticing it never leads to a giant momentum shift or huge win for them for the round, they usually hit hard, but then the enemy hits just as hard back if not harder depending on who is in play/multi-turns etc. So for being a one-off, it feels fun, but slightly underwhelming power wise.

X-Men Stand Together remains useful. Gaining a +1 to Attack or +2 to a d20 roll can certainly help any figure, so that's fine as-is.

Reactive Toss doesn't come up super often, but is nice when you can toss someone away or into engagement with another figure they may not want to be. So it feels fine.

I think the issue really comes down to Lead the Rebellion just slightly lacking something. In the blowout loss, it never triggered due to no Initiative losses, and when you start losing your figures it becomes weaker due to not having the turns to make use of it. In the other 3 games, it just worked out that Round 2 was an initiative loss on each, so I used it then to avoid losing out on it or not having the figures in potential later rounds.

Any ideas? Drafting him as-is may be hard to justify with the likes of Professor X and Cyclops being much cheaper and a lot more reliable and consistent in what they offer.

[Lord Pyre]

I haven’t looked over the tests yet, but random thoughts. Is the effect itself lackluster, or could never trigger when you needed it to? You could trigger it when a figure you control is destroyed. Not tied to initiative or anything.

[LordVenoc]

Could you swap it from turn with 3 Rebels to three turns with Rebels? Might be worrier (which is bad at this point) but could make it more viable as he loses allies if he or allies could double turn.

[Yodaking]

What if you left it as once per game after losing initiative, but then you only give up one of his regular turns instead of all your regular turns?

LEAD THE REBELLION
Once per game, if you lose initiative, you may immediately remove one unrevealed numbered Order Marker from this Army Card. If you do, take an immediate turn with Magneto, then take a turn with up to 2 other Unique Rebel Heroes you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Magneto, and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

I would think that would give you the tactical edge you are looking for as you'd steal the initiative win away, then get the one big turn of Magneto + 2 Rebels, and still have 2 more turns that round to take.