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Re: C3G Public Design Nominations - Now Voting!
Since I know I've probably primed TrollBrute to think otherwise tonight, let me be clear, what I'm about to say is not intended as personal attacks against anyone.
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I really would love to see cooler heads prevail here, guys. Is that possible? C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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1. Spike
2. Meghan 3. Dex-Starr life's short, why not make an impact on the world? make some peoples lives better, have a few good laughs, and then when it's all over go out with BANG! |
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If johnny, quozl, Tornado and whoever else that's expressed disinterest in the direction find such distaste and disapproval of the design direction that they can't even let it go before the community for a chance to be made, then who am I to change that? I'm just a playtester who has given well over a hundred hours towards playtesting, commenting, and designing for the continuation and expansion of the project. Who cares what I think? Better yet, why should I have to try and convince 1 person to change their mind? This is a community, we do this for the community, not just to pat ourselves on the back. I have no say here. My reason for taking my ball and remaining at home is simple. The system doesn't exactly embrace and reward for the amount of time and effort you put into it. I simply ask for a chance to design, and have that design judged/voted on by those who will potentially use it, but now that the design is vetoed, I could be waiting upwards of 5-7 months for another opportunity to be vetoed(that's not a knock or an over exaggeration, that's the reality of the Public Design process). I communicated my thoughts, my passion, and my desires. It's not my fault they were not communicated back to by those that detracted it most, and actually had a 1 on 1 discussion on how to make them more favorable to them. Those that weren't in favor, chose to remain so. I was all ears, and willing to compromise, that much was made clear several times. If it was so close, I'm not the one that pulled that trigger and made that decision to call it there. That's not on me. I'm just not surprised in the least at that result. One could say that's unappreciative of all the discussion that has taken place over the past 2 weeks, the most lively discussion that has taken place in months. If that's not worth it, then why am I even trying to make it in the system, if the system doesn't appreciate that trying? It's whatever. It has nothing to do with my inability to work within a group. I just spent 2 weeks working in a group. Perhaps it's others that are too quick to stifle something before it is given a shot. Like I said, what was so bad that couldn't be given a shot? If it got the majority votes, what kind of issue couldn't be compromised in design? The markers? The synergy? The 2nd version? Why do I care to be a part of something going forward if those things aren't available? |
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If you were willing to put so much passion and energy into the project in the first place, then isn't it worth putting some patience and energy into trying to find a solution somewhere between take it on the chin and rage quit?
I totally get your frustrations on the transparency side of things. I could see things going this way and it's why I brought concerns to the public. Because you guys are working just as hard as anyone else on this project and you deserve that. But none of us are perfect, and that's certainly true for all aspects of this group. Our goal should not be to bicker and run off, though, but to work to help each other consider different perspectives and become better as a whole. I'd like to work towards that. I'm asking you to join me in this attempt. Will you? I understand equating not having a vote to having no say. But if you truly had no say, no voice, this wouldn't be a discussion now, it'd be a "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I understand that it may feel like the active leadership is doing just that. I'm asking them not to. I'm asking them to join me in this attempt to discuss this and work this out as a community. Will you, C3G Heroes? If the system is working in a way that's pushing seasoned, hard working members to quit in disgust, the system needs a good looking at, because we are about a community, not decisions made behind closed doors that feel arbitrary and rushed. So let's not rush this one. We've started discussing it, let's bear out that discussion. Is there any reason this vote has to take place right now? Or can we give some time to a topic that it's clear many feel passionate about. Let's not penalize folks for their passion. This group would be nothing without it. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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Again, a veto is not "no, never" it's "no, not right now." There's no reason for the discussion to end our that a Martian Manhunter design that satisfies all parties cannot be created. ".... the Cambridge ladies do not care, above Cambridge if sometimes in its box of sky lavender and cornerless, the moon rattles like a fragment of angry candy" |
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Sure, but even as the vote itself wrapped up the further discussion was beginning, with the tie-breaking voter saying that he was very open to seeing others (sidekicks, outer sanctum, etc.) being polled for their opinions. Is there a specific reason this voting has to take place right now, or can this issue be hashed out first?
C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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I'm still not sold on the idea of such wide reaching JL synergy, and I think its what is concerning people, but I'm willing to listen to new ideas and work with material despite disagreements. Just the 2 cents from a person who has been a lot less vocal in the deliberations up till this point. |
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I will say that one very telling and worthwhile thing johnny said in the sanctum tonight is that (I'm super paraphrasing here) that the Justice League are the comic book team, and they deserve royal treatment. That means really digging deep as a whole team and making sure we do it right. Since a number of people are still uncertain if this is the right approach, in his eyes (and I totally get his perspective and agree with it to an extent) it's worth slowing down and making sure this direction is the right one before officially committing to it. It's not that folks dislike the ideas, it's just that they may need more time to fully consider them and consider a number of other options, because Rome wasn't built in a day (reminds johnny) and enough people have enough passion about doing Justice League synergy that we really want to make sure we do it right.
Now from Sock's perspective, I get that they've been discussing and wanting that synergy for a really long time and that a lot of people who are blocking progress now might not have seemed to have been very present in that discussion. Then a decision comes down from on high without being discussed actively with those leading the charge. Super frustrating for someone who's put all the hard work and effort into a direction. I think this is an issue that can use more transparency and more work from everyone who has a vested interest. If you care enough to say "no" or "not yet" to this proposed solution for Justice League synergy, it behooves you to actively participate in finding a solution that everyone is happy with. Justice League synergy clearly strikes a chord with the group and so while it's worth being patient on (Rome, etc.), it's also worth throwing attention and effort into. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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For what it's worth, I'm in support of your direction. And this is still being debated quite heavily.
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We started discussions on a Justice League synergy on June 27th, on page 1369 of the Public Design Thread. Martian Manhunter II was first discussed on June 29th, on page 1373. It died on 1408. That's 35+ pages of discussion(almost all directed toawrds the JL synergy and the designs), over 3 and a half weeks. Only to be vetoed out in a "narrow" vote. Each time there was an issue, we compromised, and adapted. However, those clearly still against it, didn't bother to truly attempt to compromise to a point of satisfaction, and instead merely counted down the days until they could kill off the most enthusiastic group discussion going. Maybe not purposely, but that's how it played out. That's why this whole idea of "if you can't work in a group, then maybe this isn't for you" as said in response to me(not by you), is insulting, and unfounded. We did work in a group, quite well, for 3 and a half weeks almost non-stop, for an un-precedented ~35 pages focused on refining, compromising, and progressing a design/synergy to overcome the issues brought forth. If that's not what this is all about, I don't know what is. We had something the community was getting behind, and then people put their thumb on it without offering any sort of real opportunity. That's not willing to work within a group, at least not in this instance. |
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I like the direction of the JLA stuff but I do think it's appropriate for us to continue hashing it out it before jumping into the first public design. I'd hate to see MM2's design phase drag on while the entire suite of designs was getting worked over.
Last edited by dok; July 22nd, 2015 at 10:31 AM. Reason: Tossed in a third vote |
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1. Kang
2. Dex 3. ARGUS |
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