Collection Guide 2: Quantities (Fully Updated)

[ranoobu]

Originally Posted by Toad Rocket

Good point, that is better grammar than I used.

Every wave I review everything and peoples comments and make changes that seem appropriate. This one will be added. (I cant believe how many typos I keep finding, I think I got most of them now).

Does that make sense though?

It sounds like it's saying that there is no terrain addition, but the trees are nice terrain.. so therefore there really is a terrain addition..

my head just exploded

[happyjosiah]

I agree with almost everything here. My goals in collecting tend towards the minimums of almost everything you posted, though I see the advantage to the higher ends of everything you posted. The only thing I really disagree about it the lava. Volcarren wasteland is a very small set, and one is almost useless. Two you can make a nice small map featuring lava. Three is much better. I'd put this in the 2-3 range. When you compare what comes in a pack of lava vs a pack of snow, you can see what I mean.

[Toad Rocket]

Originally Posted by happyjosiah

I agree with almost everything here. My goals in collecting tend towards the minimums of almost everything you posted, though I see the advantage to the higher ends of everything you posted. The only thing I really disagree about it the lava. Volcarren wasteland is a very small set, and one is almost useless. Two you can make a nice small map featuring lava. Three is much better. I'd put this in the 2-3 range. When you compare what comes in a pack of lava vs a pack of snow, you can see what I mean.

OK, I do see what you are getting at. One pack is not a lot of lava, however, I only have the one pack, and it seems to be sufficient amount to make some lava pools or a lava section of map. BOV maps featuring lava tend to only have one lava set. I have never lamented on wanting more lava. (This also factors in the very high cost of lava sets these days also.)
Granted, I never have done anything ambitious like making a large volcano wastland type map that I have seen pictures of, yet I think that is more on the extreme end of things. I do have caveat that states (in paraphrase) that there are some who will want excessive amounts of some sets with a prime example being ROTV, RTTF and the Castle set where people have bought copious amounts.
However, do you need excessive amounts to enjoy a terrain feature? I would have to say no, hence my lower numbers on terrain expansion.

As for the grammar issues on the TJ set discussed earlier. I think we are getting to the point of splitting hairs on it, but I do agree that it needs to be cleaned up a little.

[oracle92]

Very nice list! Perhaps you could also mention the large hero packs (Orm's return, Raknar's vision etc.) saying it's worth getting one of each to get the popular large unique heroes. (Dragons, Q9, etc.)

[Greyelephant]

Great list Toad Rocket!

I'm wondering if the 10th/Wolves pack from wave 8 might get more love with the Werewolf Lord coming out in D-2?

I would agree with almost your entire list. You've done an excellent job compiling this.

If you are new to this site, I would look at this very seriously. You'll find 9/10 times that you'll draft figures (even in a beer and pretzel game) that are low cost/high production. Stay away from buying too many squads that are high cost. Trust me, they'll just collect dust if you get too many.

Once again, great job TR!

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Greyelephant

I'm wondering if the 10th/Wolves pack from wave 8 might get more love with the Werewolf Lord coming out in D-2?

I don't think so. The 10th Regiment was good enough to deserve at least three squads and you don't need more than 3 squads of WoB.

[Freezie]

My take on D2:
Golem and Wyrmlings 3-5 as it seems best to have mostly one kind in your army
Veterans of the Last War 2-4 can't see anyone feilding more than 2 of the Uncommons but Warforged do well any where between 2 and 4 sets
Ogre and Goblins 3-5? any more than one Ogre is no good but the swarming Goblins need At Least 3 to be effective

Just my

[Toad Rocket]

Yeah, wave D2 is a bit of a head scratcher. All the uncommon heroes are rather high point cost, and they way they are designed I really cant see having more than one per 500ish point army. However, the Goblins need lots to be effective (though the Warhulk is not something you will want lots of)

The warforged set probably will be around 2-3. Wymrlings maybe also around 2-4. Two of any kind of wyrmling gets you started and you can mix and match. 4 of one kind seems to be reasonable limit.

[Hidicul]

I finally figured out how much D2 I want to get so I thought I would post the list to in hopes it might help you figure out how many of each to put on the list.

Golem and Wrymlings 4-6, depending on how big of a Wrymling army core you want. I liked the idea of having more of one Wrymling then the others, and with this many packs, you have alot of options when making a Wrymling core army. Also when counter drafting, it could help to have some of these as they make a good tank and SA soak.

Ogre and Goblins 4-5 The simple fact that the Goblin Cutters are like the Zombies means you want a horde of them. I could even see bumping up the number of packs since unlike the Zombies, you only get 1 squad per pack.

Veterans of the last war 2-3 If your getting them for the Warforged, then I could see going with up to 2 more packs. My main reason for getting this pack is the Werewolf Lord. Even though I don't think I would ever run more then to Lords in a build, I don't like running less then 3x a squad so I added a pack for another squad of the Warforged.

Well hope that helps you a little bit with how many to add to the list. I generally try for the max number of packs that you list unless it's for something I really don't see myself playing, then I generally knock 1-2 packs off. Also if you don't hurry up, you'll be behind when D3 comes out

[Toad Rocket]

Alright,

Doing the D2 Update. There has been enough time since these units have been out to play test them a bit and see what people are saying about them.

Other than the D2 addition I have cleaned up a few more typoes and grammer mistakes.

I have tweaked the Minutemen and Wolves from wave 2. This one I wasn't compelety happy with, and there was enough feedback on this thread to warrant a change. Here is the update, the changes are in blue.

Minute Men and Wolves: 3-4 (was 3-5 orginally)
Consists of the 4th Massachusetts Line and the Anubian Wolves. The 4th are often considered the best common range squad in the game and will likely be the driving motivation for purchasing this booster pack. Four squads of the 4th create a very strong core to any army, just add a strong hero or support unit and you got a competitive army. Six squads of the 4th Massachusetts line is essentialy a strong army just by itself, though slightly on the extreme side and you do not need six squads to enjoy this unit. The Wolves are usually great fun to play and almost always make a game that much more interesting.

Edit:Just noticed this thread got stickied. Thats pretty cool, first thread I ever started that ever got stickied on any forum. Thanks for props guys.

[Toad Rocket]

And here is the D2 Updates. Also can be found on first page.

Golem and Wyrmlings:2-4
Consists of the Iron Golem and the Red,Blue,Black and White Wyrmlings. The Iron Golem is the uncommon hero for this pack. Very solid unit, can easily justify having two of these units in this army. The Wyrmlings are baby dragons mimmiking there older versions. They are all common heroes and have the unique ability to bond with each other creating two unit team. Two packs gives you a total of eight of these baby dragons which allows you to mix and match your army up fairly effectively. However, going up to four packs allows you to focus on one type of wyrmiling to really focus on its abilities.

Orgre and Goblins :2-5
Consists of the Ogre Warhulk and the Goblin Cutters. The Ogre Warhulk is the uncommon hero of this pack. He is a fairly powerful unit, however because of his point cost and his abilities I do not see many reasons why you would ever take more than one in a normal army. The Goblin cutters is a four person squad that relies on numbers to be effective. They are swarm army and just start to become functional with two squads. If you go with goblins you will want a decent swarm of them to really display their effectiveness.

Veterans of the Last War:2-3
Consists of the Werewolf Lord and the Mindflayer Mastermind, both which are uncommon heroes. Also includes the Warforged Soldiers. All these units are pretty cool and have some very unique abilities not seen before in Heroscape. Both Uncommon heroes are likely not needed in multiples. The Warforged Soldiers are a fairly high point cost three man squad. They are tougher than your average gorrilla and will function pretty good in smaller numbers.

[lefton4ya]

Time to update for D3, toad rocket.

My picks:
Bugbears and Orcs: 3-5 (max for Death Chasers of Thesk)
Advocates of Annihilation: 4-6 (max for two 2-unit squads)
Icewind Scourge: 1-2 (max for Ice Troll to bond with arrow gruts)
Heroes of Fallcrest: 1 (uniques)