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Old September 22nd, 2015, 04:08 PM
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Re: The Book of Ronan

Even with the new wording it's still a paradox. You can only use the push if you are going to attack with the SA, but you can't attack with the SA if the push is unable to move everyone out of the way.

In these cases, there was never a time during that turn when it was even legal for Ronan to target his Accused in the first place. If it was never possible to target the Accused, then it was not possible to use the special attack.

Sorry guys, but I have to be honest here: patching it in the R&Cs feels like a cheat, especially when you had options for making it work the way you want (and clearly you were willing to recast the text, so having to make new cards apparently wasn't an obstacle). The rewrite pushed the problem around on the plate but didn't actually solve it.

(Do you want that kind of honest feedback?)


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Old September 22nd, 2015, 04:41 PM
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Re: The Book of Ronan

I like your honest feedback. I disagree with you in this case though.

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Old September 22nd, 2015, 06:51 PM
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I like your honest feedback. I disagree with you in this case though.
On which part? Do you disagree that it's a paradox, disagree that paradoxes should be avoided, disagree that there were other options, or something else?

I can try to avoid wasting anyone's time in the future if I know which logic corridors to skip.


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Old September 22nd, 2015, 07:53 PM
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Re: The Book of Ronan

I'm fine with the "Before using" language to indicate that the push happens before targeting, although it seems a little off that the "targeting" part of the power comes before the "Before using" part.

Also, the card's going to need an update either way; the current version of Universal Weapon Special Attack starts off by referring to our favorite Accuser as Ronin. I'd hate to be the only guy limited to targeting the Accused.
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Re: The Book of Ronan

I definitely appreciate your honestly, JaB, but I disagree that the new wording creates a paradox. Like Ronin pointed out, the "before using this special attack" wording comes before Ronan would target his Accused, so no paradox. It's not pretty, but it's the best we could come up with (any of the discussed alternatives were getting too text heavy and would probably confuse the casual player more).

Good catch on the typo, Ronin, and you make a fair point about the order of the power. In the original power the targeting line was at the end, but we moved it to the beginning for clarity; but now it seems out of place and probably should be put back at the end.

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Re: The Book of Ronan

Just a reminder that there is a spelling error on this guy's card.

Should be Ronan not Ronin in the Universal Weapon special attack.
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Re: The Book of Ronan

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Just a reminder that there is a spelling error on this guy's card.

Should be Ronan not Ronin in the Universal Weapon special attack.
Nice catch, thanks.

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Re: The Book of Ronan

I am confused now.

A3n posted an update on 9/20, but that doesn't match what is in the SP, which doesn't match JAB's suggested wording posts.

I'll have to look into this more this weekend.

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Re: The Book of Ronan

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I am confused now.

A3n posted an update on 9/20, but that doesn't match what is in the SP, which doesn't match JAB's suggested wording posts.

I'll have to look into this more this weekend.
I'll hold off updating until a final wording has been agreed then.
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Re: The Book of Ronan

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I am confused now.

A3n posted an update on 9/20, but that doesn't match what is in the SP, which doesn't match JAB's suggested wording posts.

I'll have to look into this more this weekend.
Heh, this is mess. We officially voted to change the wording a little while back, which is what A3n updated the cards to; but apparently the SP never got updated, and there's a typo in the new wording, and there's some debate about if the new wording is the best it could be.

If we just fix the typo, the card and the SP needs updated to this:

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At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s Unique or Event Hero to be Accused. Before rolling for initiative, if the chosen Accused figure is no longer on the battlefield, you may choose another opponent’s Unique or Event Hero to be Accused.

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Kree figures you control adjacent to Ronan add 1 die to their normal attack and 1 die to their defense.

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Range 3. Attack 6.
Ronan may not target any figure except for his Accused figure with this special attack. Before using this special attack, if Ronan's Accused figure is within 3 clear sight spaces of Ronan, you may push all figures adjacent to Ronan by placing them each on an empty space within 1 space of their original placement. Figures moved by this special attack cannot be placed adjacent to Ronan, will not take any leaving engagement attacks, but will receive any falling damage that may apply.
Though as was discussed, it might not be a bad idea to move the "Ronan may not target any figure except for his Accused figure with this special attack" back to the end of the power, since the following line comes before the SA is used (which is also before targeting occurs).

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Re: The Book of Ronan

It should probably go at the end due to the use of "Before using this special attack".
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Re: The Book of Ronan

I don't have a good bead on this one (and am in major catch up mode right now). I'll have to trust you guys.

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