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Re: The Book of Kang
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#266
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Re: The Book of Kang - Design Phase
I think the 4 is intentional, and I believe this is where it came into play (admittedly without much fanfare).
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#268
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Re: The Book of Kang
Works for me...SP updated to match the card.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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Re: The Book of Kang
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Was trying to learn how to play Kang. Is this pretty much how he's played these days? Flying on and off at the end of movement to place the glyph and get a second turn? Seems the discussion here moved over to the Human Torch thread all those years ago. Is this pretty much how Human Torch is played these days, risking the leaving engagement to Flame On at some point every time he is moved, since it doesn't specify his turn EDIT: Not to generalize how HT would be played. Obviously, when it's not worth the risk, the player would choose not to flame on, so not "every time he is moved." |
#270
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
I did a bad job with that last post, but it helped me understand that I was still very confused. Please disregard it, and I'll try again from where I'm at now.
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I think the answer to IAmBatman's question lies in the same reasoning a figure can camp on the Temporal Displacement Glyph, Q - If my figure starts its turn occupying this Glyph, do I have to move off of this Glyph and then move back onto it to use its power? A - The official ruling for moving 0 spaces is that a move of 0 is still a move. You do not have to move off of the Glyph to use its power if you moved 0+ spaces and stopped on the Glyph. Because the Movement Phase doesn't officially end until the start of using any "before attacking" power or attacking, it allows you to toggle the special power of Flying on and off with 0 Moves left until the end of the movement phase, occupying, unoccupying, and reoccupying after moving 4 spaces. However, doesn't none of this matter in the case of Kang? TEMPORAL MARKER 1 Start the game with one Glyph of Temporal Displacement on this card. After revealing an Order Marker on this card, at any point during this Kang's movement, you may place up to one Glyph of Temporal Displacement from this card power-side up on an empty space Kang previously occupied this turn. Since Kang has no where to go after that fourth move, he can't place the glyph beneath him, because that space is never "Empty" with him flying on and off it. |
#271
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
Unless spaces with figures "passing over" them with flying are considered "Empty" for the period that the figure is flying??
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#272
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
See, I think that's just wonky to say that you "fly" for a 0 spaces and that somehow makes the space under you mechanically "empty." That feels like rules lawyer manipulation at its finest, rather than anything that would be designer intent.
When you're flying, you're moving "over" a space rather than occupying it, but that's only when you're actually moving the figure over the space. If you're flying 0 spaces, I don't see that as moving "over" anything. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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#273
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
I agree, I think 8.5 years ago when this discussion originally took place, its possible that the difference between empty and unoccupied were missed by some? Unless there's a ruling I missed somewhere that when a figure is flying above a space, that space is both unoccupied and empty.
If the power just said, "place up to one Glyph of Temporal Displacement from this card power-side up on a space Kang previously occupied this turn," I'd completely see why toggling flying would work. But the inclusion of "an empty" preserves the original intent of the power. |
#274
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
I'm not following why a distinction between empty (nothing in the space) and unoccupied (no figures in the space) is relevant. My argument is that if you're flying 0 spaces, the space your figure is in is neither empty nor unoccupied, because you haven't actually left that space/flown over it.
C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
#275
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
I believe the argument is that flying is sort of a state of being for the figure that may be used in concert with moving between spaces, in addition to moving zero spaces, because as soon as a figure has taken flight, but before leaving the space, adjacent opponents roll for leaving engagement attacks, because that Flying figure no longer occupies the space.
A figure taking flight and landing over and over could potentially be suicide for that figure after enough successful leaving engagement attacks. I'm just spitballing, but perhaps the words "passing swipe" meaning the same as "leaving engagement" means or meant that when a figure no longer occupies a space, that is the same as "passing." SPRINGWOOD SLASHER After Freddy destroys a figure, you may place Freddy on this card. When placing Freddy on this card, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks. Freddy is not Flying or moving onto a different space, but by unoccupying the space to leave the battlefield, the special power specifically mentions that he will not take any leaving engagement attacks because that is against the norm. A flying figure staying in place, to my present understanding, is unoccupying the space, but not emptying it. |
#276
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Re: The Book of Kang (I)
We always played that he (put simply) flew 3 spaces - walked 1 & placed glyph behind him - then started his free turn on that previous space - which would effectively give a move of 7 flying. Am I missing something and/or played it incorrectly?
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