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View Poll Results: What is your opinion regarding the Occupy Movements? | |||
There is an Occupy movement in my town, and I support these people and their cause. |
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14 | 19.72% |
There isn't an Occupy movement in my town, and I support these people and their cause. |
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7 | 9.86% |
There is an Occupy movement in my town, and I disapprove of these people and their cause. |
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14 | 19.72% |
There isn't an Occupy movement in my town, and I disapprove of these people and their cause. |
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19 | 26.76% |
Who? I don't really understand this movement, or what it stands for. |
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17 | 23.94% |
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll |
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Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! |
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People wanted houses. People wanted really big houses. People wanted really big expensive houses. People wanted really big expensive houses they couldn't afford. People wanted really big expensive houses they couldn't afford, and THEY STUPIDLY BOUGHT INTO A MORTGAGE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD. I'm liberal beyond belief, many of you know this already. What bothers me about this entire situation is what harkens to our country as a whole, and it doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative. People do not take responsibility for their actions, and when the -expletive- hits the fan, they blame someone else because it's the easy way out. It's been happening for years, and now we're truly seeing how badly it's biting us in the butt. It's a lame excuse to blame the banks for the actions of the people who bought into the foreclosures, there were thousands who did the right thing and are not in foreclosure right now, but there are thousands that are because they didn't do the basic research. The cake is a lie. -Insert Witty Signature Here- |
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People are stupid and greedy. The bankers were greedy and offered dangerous loans because they wanted money. The people taking out the loans were greedy as well. They wanted houses they couldn't afford and they wanted money they didn't have to buy those houses. Both are to blame. To say that the bankers are greedy, immoral, manipulative fat cats while ignoring the fact that the people who took out the bad loans were just as greedy and irresponsible is to ignore the fundamental problems of our consumer culture. It is all too easy to blame faceless corporations while ignoring our own faults as a general populace. Those who took out the bad loans aren't victims of banks, they were accomplices with said banks and are just as much to blame as the banks for the housing collapse.
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The cake is a lie. -Insert Witty Signature Here- |
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I will not vote because I'm not totally sure on my opinion, however I will say:
A big thing that gets talked about in high school is the "American Dream". It's completely acceptable to want a big expensive house with a picket fence and all that. What seems to be overlooked by many is the tidbit regarding having to work hard each and every day to attain that goal. The top 1% has large expensive houses because they took risks and worked in a cut-throat business industry and succeeded. The morality of their success is not the issue here, more that they took the actions necessary to accomplish what they desired. You can't expect to run a marathon if you haven't gone for a run in a year. |
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Indeed, most people don't seem to understand that we have 3rd world wealth inequalities not seen since the days of Robber Barons. Despite people working harder and productivity going up, Americans are not getting paid more for doing more work. All the money is going pretty much to only one group.
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Think of it this way. I'm a pharmacist who has alot of Oxycontin. I am supposed to, when asked by a customer, seek information that their doctor did indeed order it and give them only the proper amount. That's my job. However, I decide that screw it, I'll give it out to anyone who will pay for it instead. In fact, when many people come in for normal painkillers, I'm gonna try to push them to get Oxycontin instead as well. And I'm going to coordinate with other Pharmacists to hide what I am actually doing. I sell tons of it to customers but eventually, everything blows up and my Pharmacy and several others get destroyed in legal and jail troubles. Now whose fault is this that it happened? Yes, people did ask for it. But everything exploded because of my actions. Nothing bad at all would have happened if I would have ran my business like I always had. In addition, I ruined many peoples lives by being reckless and even worse, ruined people that never wanted Oxycontin in the first place but I lied and told them it was better. This is exactly what happened with the banks - They stopped doing their job and because many banks that did this were so huge, it literally threatened our nations financial system. Without the banks happy and active participation, none of it, not one zero bit of the subprime market madness could have happened because They came up with the gimmick, They pushed it on people, They lied and told people it was a great deal, and They bundled and distributed the loans so no one would know the actual risk. They did this - not the customer. Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! |
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What's the solution? I personally doubt that camping out in parks will change things but I'm willing to listen to a reasoned plan. If the Occupy people have a plan, I haven't heard it. How do we bring the bottom lines up to the top line?
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The point is, despite productivity going up, all the increases in wealth are going to an incredibly small subset of people, most of which didn't do all the work themselves and yet have gotten all the rewards. Destroying labor and constant pushes to weaken labor is not the way. Strengthening labor, mcuh as was done in the late 40's to 60's is the way to go. Basically, we need a new labor movement - though we don't want labor to have all the power. A balance is needed because right now, labor is extremely weak and doesn't have any real negotiating power. Corporations can do pretty much whatever they want to employees, all the while giving massive bonuses to CEO's who trash companies and the like. The playing field hasn't been this unbalanced since before 1929, and you'd have to be insane to think that was a golden age of business. The middle class is dying - and honestly in the long run a strong (but not overpowering) labor movement is the only real solution. It's what created the middle class that boomed in the 50's and 60's. Service to a company used to be rewarded - now, they'll just replace you with someone else for half the cost and cheer how they saved money, yet wonder why people complain about their staff's lack of knowledge. It's so shortsighted it's absurd, but shortsightedness is par for course in the business. Who cares if the business is successful 20 years for now, all that matters is this quarters stock is worth more than last quarters and to hell with everything else. EDIT: A good read about the stagnant growth of wages vs. productivity. I'm sorry but in the real world if your companies productivity increases by 10-15% and you don't reward your employees for that growth, it's little more than stealing. They stepped up and did more work in the same time and get to have the same job and same pay for doing more work. Way to reward those who help your company.... http://www.businessweek.com/investor...025_902249.htm Now through May 28th, the Louisville region is in desperate need of platelets - call the Red Cross if you are interested in donating! Last edited by jschild; November 14th, 2011 at 10:12 AM. |
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