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Old August 19th, 2011, 08:48 AM
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I don't know. I am pretty sure the official game would likely rule that "affected figures are also being attacked", but one of the things that balanced Puppet Master out for me was to use area affects as a way to bypass Reactive Mind Control.

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Old August 19th, 2011, 09:08 AM
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So the question is, are affected units also being attacked? I'm really not sure, I'm leaning towards no but I am not sure.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 11:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure the official ruling is affected is not the same as attacked.

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Old August 19th, 2011, 12:42 PM
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I think we should ask for a ruling from the official guys. Just sub in Fireline and Isamu's Vanish 9 or something like that.

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I PMed R˙chean.

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And here's his answer!

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Just wondering if Isamu gets to Vanish for when he's affected by an area of effect attack like a shotgun blast or if he must be directly attacked.

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"also affected by the Shotgun Blast Special Attack"

A figure is still attacked by the shotgun blast even if they were not the primary target. He gets to roll for vanish, krav get their stealth dodge....

Compare it to Concealment 19 where they Mohicans only get to roll for concealment if they were the target and received a wound. That power could have simply said when they receive a wound from a on adjacent attack, but it specifies when they are the target of the attack.

If Stealth Dodge and Vanish were only supposed to trigger when they were the target of the attack, those powers would have been worded like Concealment.
It seems the big difference is that the Mohicans reference being "targeted". And it looks like Puppet Master has the "targeted" language.

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Nice, quozl!

(And I shoulda known my guess was wrong! )

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Yeah, didn't realize that "targeted" language was there - that makes all the difference on Puppet Master.

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Re: C3G Question Dump / Advice Column: Ask your questions he

Ah. I only printed my PM card out a couple of months back, and it doesn't have the 'targeted' language on it. I imagine this issue must have come up before, then!
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Old August 19th, 2011, 05:59 PM
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Yeah, didn't realize that "targeted" language was there - that makes all the difference on Puppet Master.
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Ah. I only printed my PM card out a couple of months back, and it doesn't have the 'targeted' language on it. I imagine this issue must have come up before, then!
I added the targeting language in a couple of days ago as I was rewriting the text for the power to match the intention and how it has been played by us. A3n updated it yesterday.

So, to go back the ruling now:

Q - Can Puppet Master use his Reactive Mind Control on Event Heroes?
A - No, because the aspect of taking temporary control of the attacking figure is not optional - it does happen if you roll the D20 and land the needed number. So because Event Heroes cannot be controlled temporarily or permanently by opponents, This power does not work on them.

Q - Can Puppet Master use his Reactive Mind Control against attacking figure that are using an area effect attack but did not actually target Puppet Master?
A - No, because Reactive Mind Control states that Puppet Master has to be the targeted figure for the attack.
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Q - Can Puppet Master use his Reactive Mind Control on Event Heroes?
A - No, because the aspect of taking temporary control of the attacking figure is not optional - it does happen if you roll the D20 and land the needed number. So because Event Heroes cannot be controlled temporarily or permanently by opponents, This power does not work on them.
That's a bit convoluted. I like this better:

Q - Can Puppet Master use his Reactive Mind Control on Event Heroes?
A - No, because Event Heroes cannot be controlled temporarily or permanently by opponents.

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I just checked this thread again and noticed that no clarification has been added yet to Puppet Master's book.

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