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Re: The Pre-SoV Workshop
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#3926
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I'm looking for some feedback on these revisions for Masha Shingai.
There are only two changes from his submission:
When considering ways to buff Masha after he failed the process, I was very hesitant because of the fact that he can be punishing for melee in the right circumstances. These changes do not impact his power against melee very much, but they still make him a more effective cheerleader for the Samurai that ties them together more. The biggest change for melee opponents is that the Tagawa Samurai Archers are more viable, given that they're designed as a melee counter. I'm still testing this combo to make sure that it isn't overwhelming, but the TSA generally already struggle enough that it's been promising thus far. Masha still comes with his built-in trade-offs as well, so while he makes them more fun to play and is a more balanced cheerleader now, it isn't as strong as it might immediately seem. The other big change is that Fiery Retribution is now a small aura of 2 spaces. It still only has a 40% chance of avenging the wound, though, ensuring that each loss still hurts. This really just results in Masha being less frustrating to play, as he has more options for placement and can distract the opponent from more Samurai to buy them extra turns. Notably, I've also found that it eases the tension on him needing OM1 slightly, since he can provide some value other than just via Awakened Terror. In terms of problems that I'm having with the current design, I'm concerned about him potentially seeming too meta-gamey as it stands. I really liked the thematic simplicity of Awakened Terror before, and though "This power does not work against Samurai" has precedent with Counterstrike (and he actually is pretty fun to play with the TSA), I feel like it's kind of ugly in comparison. I'm curious if anyone else agrees, or if the buffed Retribution creates any concerns. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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The changes are pretty good. Personally, if you're going to call out Samurai as an exception I'd like you to add in Undead too, but it's not a big concern. I am a bit concerned about how well he'll work with the TSAs, but I don't think that will be a problem.
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"They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" "Fight anyway." "You can never defeat another if you know not how to defeat yourself." my tradelist |
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Naw, Soulborgs have feelings. Q10 is Merciful, for example. I could see Constructs, but no need to pile stuff on.
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In terms of theme, I think that it's hard to tell where to draw the line (Fearless personalities, Constructs and Undead, and probably more make sense to be excluded). I'd like to keep it simple and limit it to only Samurai to avoid that altogether, but if it's a significant issue then I have no qualms with changing it.
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I feel like if the power is going to exclude Samurai it needs a new name to make that feel more thematic and less gamey. Like IDK ‘Terror of the Honorless’ or something. Just something to convey a thematic reason why he doesn’t give Sams the Heebie-jeebies instead of it just being a purely mechincal fix kinda deal.
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The Terror is a magical effect, which does not extend to Samurai as they are his patrons. My concerns were 1. Dude is a Samurai, and fighting with Samurai, they shouldn't be too afraid and 2. he is a Samurai cheerleader, and the Archers could use some cheerleading. |
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Faction-wise, he's an ally of the Samurai. For that reason he doesn't terrorize them. That's how I see a justification for the theme. I would definitely not want to turn it into a hodge podge of exceptions to go *with* Samurai, though. |
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Yeah, I'm leaning towards keeping the Awakened Terror exclusion to just Samurai. There are other traits that could thematically be excluded, but Samurai is the only one necessary to add the TSA to his web, and it doesn't introduce any unintended synergies.
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