Workshop Thread

[Joecrazy3193]

Bloodbath BLVD <=== Download HSC.



PDF <=== Download




This is a response to FLASH 19 from his Notes.
These are are my findings from playtesting

I playtested the map and played with various types of Teams.

The main change I applied last minute to the map before playtesting was making the exterior glyphs Summoning glyphs which in all three games were used be each player and helped each other reach a goal to either grab an opponent or save an ally.

Majority of the battles were on either by the summoning glyph near or on the height by the edges of the map and near and around the center of the Gerda Glyph.

If either of you are interested im curious to know how you would play on this map and test it yourself. All three games were heated and Fun never felt unjust because of imbalance that the map presented only imbalance was due to player skill and which teams were brought. Range armies won, Melee Armies won, and yes Mirming was able to hit an opponent in turn one. but, it didn't dominate the game. The player was able to lock down Mirming fast and eliminate him. All around solid and close games were held. I do not have a mass amount of doubles to test out huge armies so, hopefully one or two of you could try it out.

I'd like to get one more review before a full Submission would be prefered.

[Sir Heroscape]

@Joecrazy3193 do you have a downloadable PDF? that'll be a lot easier to access quickly

Also, is the above your official re-submission that you'd like us to vote on for review or are you asking for more workshopping first?

[Joecrazy3193]

@Sir Heroscape and @Flash19 Since you both helped me workshop this Map. Wanted to Thank you Both for your Guidance with this Process. Is there anything else I should look out for or add to the post before making Bloodbath BLVD a Full submission for Review?

[Sir Heroscape]

Typically you don't want the same glyph on the map. Having 2 Dagmar's in theory allows each player to have it, but if both players have it, then nobody really has a bonus do they? Additionally, if one army is able to control both, then it's an extreme bonus. So I'd suggest a different glyph. The position of the glyphs is also very much to the advantage of the nearby startzone. Typically you won't glyphs equidistant in order to make both contestable and to avoid imbalance for matchups. So I'd suggest trying to move the glyphs back a bit so they're still on the edge but in the center of the edge, if that makes sense?

[Joecrazy3193]

My mistake I realised that Dagmar was not what I intended. The Summoning Glyph is what I playtested with. Even with the Summoning Glyph would your statement stand when it comes to having 2 of the Same Glyph as well as to move the glyphs? and if so, i had to move them should I move them adjacent to the height?

[AndreThaGiant]

Originally Posted by Flash_19

Spoiler Alert!

Thanks for bringing your map to the workshop!

The general concerns I had with your map (and I think this goes for some of the other judges as well) were as follows:

1) I want to see more dynamic height distribution throughout the map - this creates greater depth and allows for more strategic play because there are more interesting decisions to be made.

2) This critique builds off the first - there is quite a bit of terrain available in the sets you chose that you haven't used. You don't have to use everything, but you have the terrain to add greater depth and variety to your map, so I'd encourage you to do so.

3) The middle of the map looks like it could cause some headaches - there are a few choke points through the middle because of the orientation of the two ruins. With the way the glyphs are positioned (in the middle of the path instead of towards the outside edge), coming through the sides to flank an opponent will be harder - not to mention that a lot of that section is on level 0. This means most of the action is probably going to take place in the middle, and you'll want to make sure the action flows well through that part of the map.


As a few positive notes - I love the shape, and I love the clear and concise start zones. I also really like the over all look of the map, so don't go too crazy in trying to overhaul the whole thing.

Let me know if you'd like further clarification or help! Maybe some other judges will weigh in here too. @Sir Heroscape @Nomad @heroscaper2010

Spoiler Alert!

Originally Posted by Sir Heroscape

I second a lot of what Flash pointed out. My issues had to do with:
1) Flatness of the map
2) The edges can be clogged down by 1 figure on a glyph
3) The center is easily clogged up

Specifically for this map, think Rats. Rats break this map mercilessly. You just need a 1 squad to essentially lock up the "clog zones" and if you have a few more, all the better to fill and replace. What's more, it really goes for any army. Even all melee will struggle to combat through those chokepoints. Aesthetically I agree it looks quite good, but it does have some issues on the outset.

Hey gang, first off I want to thank you for taking the time to review my submission. I've made some revisions while still keeping the bones of the map. I'm aware that it's still rather flat, and that there's still a lot of unused terrain, but I want to maintain the frigid aesthetic if possible. Please let me know if you like or dislike any of the changes

[Sir Heroscape]

Those changes look significantly better...nothing blaring stands out atm

[NecroBlade]

Very cool! I like it.

[Sheep]

Is there a hex below the power glyphs?

[Sir Heroscape]

Originally Posted by heroscaper2010

Is there a hex below the power glyphs?

Good catch, yeah that looks weird.

[AndreThaGiant]

There are ice tiles below the power glyphs, I left them out for the screenshots because the glyphs appear to hover over the half-tiles and it bothers me lol

The ice tiles below still exist in the pdf build. And agreed- good catch!

[Sir Heroscape]

My only suggestion (after a little more inspection) would actually be to move the water next to the lvl4 height and switch it with the ice under the glyph. Since glyphs stop movement anyway, water is always good for throwing under a glyph. I think by replacing with ice, you'll allow at lot more freedom of movement for units trying to contest the glyphs from the center, or grabbing them end of round. The only issue is it's hard to traverse that lvl 4 height from the glyphs side....so maybe shift the snow a bit on that lvl 4 to allow somone from the glyph side to be able to get up on level 3 as a way to contest the height.