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Old June 25th, 2021, 11:52 PM
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The Book of Goblin Slashers

The Book of Goblin Slashers

C3V Wave 23 - Yngvild's Vision - Slashers and Basher



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The figures used for this unit are Pathfinder Battles figures from the Legendary Adventures set. The model names are Goblin Ankle Slasher, Goblin Horse Chopper, Goblin Dog Slicer, and Goblin Guard.


Character Bio (taken from the home page): The Goblin Slashers are a new Goblin squad from Feylund. On their own, they can be a formidable force, hitting and running with Goblin Strategic Retreat. But watch out when they end their turn in hiding to make way for a Goblin mob boss!


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GOBLIN RETREAT
After attacking with Goblin Slashers, you may move 3 engaged Goblin Slashers you control up to 3 spaces each. A Goblin Slasher never takes leaving engagement attacks when moving with Goblin Retreat and can only move if it ends its retreating move not adjacent to any enemy figures.

YOU GOT THIS, BOSS!
After taking a turn with the Goblin Slashers, if no Goblin Slashers you control are engaged, you may take a turn with a Goblin Hero you control.

SCALE
When moving up or down levels of terrain, Goblin Slashers may add 2 to their height.

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-Rulings and Clarifications-
Q: Can Goblin Slashers use Goblin Retreat if no Goblin Slashers attacked?
A: Yes.
"After attacking" refers to the point during a Goblin Slasher turn where Goblin Retreat is used.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Synergy Benefits Received
- Bugbear Basher: Goblin Melee Attack Enhancement
As Goblins, Goblin Slashers may benefit from a Bugbear Basher's GOBLIN MELEE ATTACK ENHANCEMENT attack synergy.

- Morgoloth: Swarming Vermin
As Small figures who follow Utgar, Goblin Slashers may benefit from Morgoloth's SWARMING VERMIN movement synergy.

- Torin: Evil Eye Protection
As Small figures who follow Utgar, Goblin Slashers may benefit from Torin's EVIL EYE PROTECTION special power.

- Urk: Mob Swarm
As Common Goblins, Goblin Slashers may benefit from Urk's MOB SWARM activation synergy.
Synergy Benefits Offered
- Bugbear Basher: Expendable Rabble
As Small Goblins, Goblin Slashers may be destroyed by a Bugbear Basher's EXPENDABLE RABBLE special power.

You Got This, Boss!: Goblin Heroes
- Bol
- Bugbear Basher
- Urk
- Horned Skull Brutes: Expendable Rabble
As Small Goblins, Goblin Slashers may be destroyed by a Horned Skull Brute's EXPENDABLE RABBLE special power.

- Otonashi: Tricky Speed 4
As Tricky figures, Goblin Slashers may activate Otonashi's TRICKY SPEED 4 special power.

- Urk: Goblin Sneak Attack
As Common Goblins, Goblin Slashers may activate Urk's GOBLIN SNEAK ATTACK special power.

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Last edited by Blue Trails; July 2nd, 2021 at 10:58 PM. Reason: Added Goblin Retreat interaction to R&C section.
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Old July 2nd, 2021, 01:42 PM
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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

The C3V Rules Team would like to add the following R&C:
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Q: Can Goblin Slashers use Goblin Retreat if no Goblin Slashers attacked?
A: Yes.
"After attacking" refers to the point during a Goblin Slasher turn where Goblin Retreat is used.
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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

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GOBLIN RETREAT
After attacking with Goblin Slashers, you may move 3 engaged Goblin Slashers you control up to 3 spaces each. A Goblin Slasher never takes leaving engagement attacks when moving with Goblin Retreat and can only move if it ends its retreating move not adjacent to any enemy figures.
The last sentence is grammatically problematic, uses the very broad game term "move" where we would expect some kind of reference like "use this power," and as far as I can tell is without precedent. I'll spare everyone my boring analysis, and just jump to the part where we consider that the existing wording convention for situations where LEA avoidance is combined with a movement restriction is to use two separate sentences, as seen on Command Courier and Elaria the Pale:
FLEET FOOTED ... A figure moving with Fleet Footed never takes any leaving engagement attacks. A Command Courier can use Fleet Footed only if he ends his move not adjacent to any enemy figures.

SLIPPERY 6 ... Elaria the Pale will not take any leaving engagement attacks when moving with Slippery. Elaria the Pale can use this power only if she ends her Slippery move not adjacent to any enemy figures. ...
Given that I couldn't find a combined-sentence version on any other Hasbro/WotC or VC unit, it seems helpful to consider having the Slashers conform to the Elaria wording rather than introduce a new and unprecedented (and grammatically questionable) wording for the exact same game mechanic. It also wouldn't be optimal if future units copied this wording instead of looking back to the earlier, clearer, and more flexible wordings.


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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

Neat figures with some cool potential. I like how you can use an enemies figure to move a little further to snag a glyph with goblin retreat.
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Neat figures with some cool potential. I like how you can use an enemies figure to move a little further to snag a glyph with goblin retreat.
You don't need enemy figures to do that. "After attacking" simply refers to when during the turn you can move. So you can move with Goblin Retreat to move whether or not you attack.
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Neat figures with some cool potential. I like how you can use an enemies figure to move a little further to snag a glyph with goblin retreat.
You don't need enemy figures to do that. "After attacking" simply refers to when during the turn you can move. So you can move with Goblin Retreat to move whether or not you attack.
But you have to be engaged to use it, which does require enemy figures.

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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

Had to reread it myself but you are right! The first sentence requires it and makes it weird if you wanna get the move because sometimes you wont attack. I was told this was jarring for something else a few months ago lol.
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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

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I'm so confused, what part of Goblin retreat requires engagement?

GOBLIN RETREAT
After attacking with Goblin Slashers, you may move 3 engaged Goblin Slashers you control up to 3 spaces each. A Goblin Slasher never takes leaving engagement attacks when moving with Goblin Retreat and can only move if it ends its retreating move not adjacent to any enemy figures.

It says you get Disengage, and wont let you plop next to enemy figures to tether them but no where does it require engagement. In fact, no part of their card requires engagement...
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Re: The Book of Goblin Slashers

Yup I edited, I read through it again and saw lol. Idk why I skipped over the very first sentence. Good catch!
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Neat figures with some cool potential. I like how you can use an enemies figure to move a little further to snag a glyph with goblin retreat.
You don't need enemy figures to do that. "After attacking" simply refers to when during the turn you can move. So you can move with Goblin Retreat to move whether or not you attack.
But you have to be engaged to use it, which does require enemy figures.
Ah yeah, it does require enemies.
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