Heroscapers
Go Back   Heroscapers > Official Classic HeroScape > Heroscape Strategy Articles
Heroscape Strategy Articles Heroscape Strategy Articles with discussions. Including Order Markers, Units, Game Play, etc.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 8th, 2007, 03:31 AM
Taeblewalker's Avatar
Taeblewalker Taeblewalker is offline
Will Ultimately Face the Evil Black Dragon
 
Join Date: May 9, 2006
Location: Monticello, NY
Posts: 10,422
Images: 213
Blog Entries: 2
Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death!
Unit Strategy Review: How to use Concan the Kyrie Warrior

If you would like to write a strategy guide like this one and join our writing circle, please contact us here. We ask that you don't use this format without permission to preserve the high quality of the strategy guides and avoid confusion. Thanks!



Unit Strategy Review
Unit: Concan the Kyrie Warrior
Author: Taeblewalker (with thanks to Fezzikthedoor & Agatagary for their excellent Sudema article from which I borrowed the formatting for this article)

Concan is a unit who is tempting to use due to his decent stats, but potentially frustrating in that his synergy bonuses require putting order markers on him to keep him close to his Knights and Sentinels.

Analyzed Statistics
Cost - 80 - Knight Class Unit
Size - Medium - Vulnerable
Life - 5 Ė Average
Move - 5 Ė Average
Range - 1 - Melee
Attack - 4 Ė Average-Good
Defense - 4 - Average
Knight and Sentinel Enhancement Ė requires other units to be in play and adjacent, affecting draft choices with Concan. Gives an extra Attack die and an extra Defense die to all adjacent Knights (Sir Dupuis, Knight of Weston, Templar Cavalry) and Sentinels (Sentinels of Jandar). Medium Tactical Advantage.
Flying - High tactical advantage.

In-Depth Analysis

Agatagary has created several categories of cost, based off of chess, for comparison and nomenclature. For reference,

Pawn class (expendable, units that can be useful, but are not worth enormous trouble to protect)
Bishop class (more useful than a pawn, but still somewhat expendable)
Knight class (units that are interestingly powerful and can have a significant impact on the game in of themselves. It is advisable that they be kept alive, but if absolutely necessary they may be sacrificed)
Rook class (units that almost inevitably have a significant impact on the game, and whose death should be avoided as much as possible)
Queen class (devastatingly powerful or important units that should be protected at all costs)

Class:
Concan is clearly a Knight (no pun intended). He is powerful in his own right, and his synergy bonuses can be very useful, if used correctly. His generally good survivability allows him to bring his synergy bonuses to bear. We will examine how this can be done both offensively and defensively.

Offense
While having a range of only one, Concan is well-priced for his attack of 4. Some figures (like Marcus and Parmenio) cost more and have less attack, while others with attack of four or higher tend to cost more (Venoc Warlord, Valguard with his First Strike, Alastair, Carr and Drake come to mind). He has the highest Attack of any Kyrie Warrior, unless you consider the Minions with Double Strike. Pound for pound and point for point, Concan works just fine as a fighting unit, even without his synergy coming into play. His threat range, which is his Move plus his Range, is 6. His Flying ability means that terrain will not reduce his ability to move close and engage his foes.

Defense/Survivability
Defense 4 with 5 life is good, though not phenomenal. However, if you use him well (and avoid leaving engagement), he should stand up to many attacks. His wings are not hit zones, which gives him some possibility of cover.

Knight and Sentinel Enhancement
With the addition of the Templar Cavalry, Concan boosts a good many units. He gives +1 attack and +1 defense to Sentinels of Jandar, Knights of Weston, and Templar Cavalry, all of which are common squads and can be used in great numbers. Also, each of these units is Valiant (as is Concan), which allows them all to give a Valiant Defense Bonus to the 4h Massachussetts Line.

EDIT: Concan also enhances Sir Dupuis.

Strategy
There are two main ways in which Concan can be used: as part of an advancing army, and as part of a defending army.

On defense (such as in a castle), Concan can provide his synergy bonuses passively to any knights and sentinels around him. Even as they die off, they can flock to him on their turn to gain adjacency. Thus, when holding a position with Concan surrounded by knights and/or sentinels, one need not put numbered order markers on him except in the following circumstances:
1) in the endgame, when you are down to few units that receive synergy benefits from him and decide to use him directly;
2) to move him when he is threatened by instant kill units such as Braxas, Sudema or Dead-eye Dan;
3) when you want to move him between the castle top and the door to enhance the units located at each;
4) when you need to move him onto the Glyph of Kelda for healing; and
5) your opponent has Dund or the Fyorlag Spiders and you want to spread your order markers thinly.

The majority of your order markers in a defensive scenario will thus go on sentinels and knights.

Keeping the X order marker on Concan, however, will keep your opponent guessing. After all, he canít be sure you wonít take flight with him and come down to attack or otherwise pull an unexpected stunt. If your army consists of few other units (such as just the Knights and Sentinels, with maybe the 4th Mass for range), keeping an order marker (even an X) on Concan should present little difficulty. You might even lull your opponent into expecting the X to always be on him, making this a good bluff indeed in the later rounds when you put a 2 on him. He is an Attack 4 unit, after all!

Offensively, if you are moving toward your enemy, you will be placing more order markers on him to keep up with your other units. Sentinels are great for taking higher ground (see below). On more level maps, sentinels and knights move pitifully slowly and itís hard to justify slowing them down further by using order markers on Concan, unless you have Jandarís Dispatch (which causes its own problems, as Sir Gilbert, at 105 points, is a good chunk of most army point costs). The fact that Gilbert can be moved up with Human Champion Bonding with the Knights alleviates this somewhat, especially since his stats are fairly decent (Life 6, M5, R1, A3, D4). But the really good units to use offensively with Concan are the Templar Cavalry.

After using their Charging Assualt, the cavalry can get a bit mired in melee, especially if they are not fighting small or medium squad figures (particularly those who follow Utgar). If you fly Concan into the fray, you can turn the mounted knights into 4/4 figures against anybody, and against small or medium squads, they can be 4/5 or even 5/5 if the enemy follows Utgar. Once you clean up the competition, you can move them ahead to the next challenge, and burn another order marker on Concan to keep up. Don't forget to use his Attack of 4! Concan is not merely a cheerleader, folks. He gives out punishment and takes it as well.

Edit: With the addition of Atlaga to an army, Concan and any Sentinels you may have drafted with him get a movement boost that can be critical in deploying them. The drawback is that you lose the valiant army theme for the 4th Mass, and/or most of the points toward another squad of Sentinels.

If you are attacking a castle or other high ground, move Concan up with your sentinels. These figures become 4/5 figures in his presence, and with Shields of Valor, they are difficult to stop. Establish a beachhead with Concan on a castle wall or mountainside and you will be able to land flocks of these guys. Concanís survivability can keep him alive long enough to make him relevant (i.e., until your next order marker when you bring the sentinels up).

Optional Strategies
We have already discussed the Valiant Army defense bonus. Concan is a good heavy fighter to throw into any army, especially if you have 80 points to burn and are hoping to take a castle or other elevated place. Even if you cannot or do not draft Sentinels, he is a good strong unit to fly up high and take out some shooters or heroes.

Raelin is always a good bet in a defensive scenario, as is Taelord. Concan can also be used with Knights of Weston to primarily hold a door while Omnicron Snipers do all the work of sniping from the castle wall.

Here Comes the Cavalry
The Templar Cavalry can move in a wave of death across the battlefield, especially with Concan backing them up. However, your opponent might be canny and move all his forces close to you, limiting your chances to use the Templars in this fashion.

If your enemy has a second rank behind the first, try sending some Venoc Vipers or Gladiatrons behind the front rank to tie up the second. Let the front wave come at you. Charge your Templars ahead into them; then, bring Concan in to finish them off. Once you have cleared away the front wave, you can charge into the immobilized second wave.

The beauty of this strategy is that it places your opponent in a catch-22. If he attacks your Templars (who have a boosted Defensed from Concan), he will not likely kill them all, and will have done nothing to free his second rank of attackers from your swarming units. If he does try to free up the second rank to bring them close enough to deny your Templars the charge bonus, he will have left his front wave at the mercy of your knights. By the time he breaks free of your immobilizing units, your knights will have defeated the first rank and charged up to get the full attack bonus against the second rank.

Units to Avoid
Units with Instant Destroy Powers: Braxas, Dead-eye Dan, Grimnak, Morsbane, Sudema and similar units can take Concan out quickly. Lethal Sting from the Rechets of Bogden has a 1 in 8 chance of killing Concan, while the Deathstalkers can give him three wounds with the same chance of success. It's fine to go after these figures with Concan if you think you can destroy them in one or two turns, but don't push it. You are better off sending knights or sentinels against them and letting Concan buff the squad up, giving them three or four enhanced attacks.

Cyberclaw units: Don't let Concan get tied down with these guys. One Gladiatron won't hold him down for long, but several of them or Major X17 will.

For additional information see the Book of Concan the Kyrie Warrior


Last edited by Taeblewalker; June 16th, 2009 at 03:37 PM. Reason: Changed contact info
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old August 8th, 2007, 03:43 AM
scorpiusx's Avatar
scorpiusx scorpiusx is offline
CoN Recruiting Officer, Top Masq Sleuth, & Teller of Fantastic Tales
 
Join Date: January 1, 2007
Location: USA-KY-Paducah
Posts: 12,277
scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla scorpiusx is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Another great unit asessment. Thanks !

scorpiusx is a Rashomon of Tornak and DeMarco James...
in THE MYCELOID MANOR
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old August 8th, 2007, 04:07 AM
Aldin's Avatar
Aldin Aldin is offline
Site Admin & Professional SideBoarder
 
Join Date: September 22, 2006
Location: TN - Nashville
Posts: 13,544
Images: 1
Blog Entries: 4
Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer Aldin is a wielder of the Ban Hammer
Nifty - wish I had him Did you mean Concan to be a Bishop class (as in the Stat Analysis) or a Knight class (as per the text)? I lean toward Bishop myself, especially after reading your review without seeing any particular focus on keeping him alive.

~Aldin, pawn

He either fears his fate too much
or his desserts are small
That dares not put it to the touch
to gain or lose it all
~James Graham
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old August 8th, 2007, 05:29 AM
Matthias Maccabeus's Avatar
Matthias Maccabeus Matthias Maccabeus is online now
Don't Need Range in the Knight-time
 
Join Date: April 10, 2007
Location: IA - Councilbama
Posts: 3,898
Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death! Matthias Maccabeus is hot lava death!
One strategy that I've discovered with him and the Templar are to send Concan out first and engage an opponent. They opponent will usually retaliate with swarming Concan. With 4 Def and 5 life, it's usually not to big of a problem. Then send in your Templars on the next turn, gaining adjacency, if possible, to Concan and eradicating his foes. Repeat. You can usually get away with this for a couple turns until your opponent figures it out. By then, hopefully, you have wiped out most of his primary attack force.

Dragon Dice - (the 2nd best game there is) Learn to Play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3q6...wujcr8vVf8e21G
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old August 8th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Uprising's Avatar
Uprising Uprising is offline
markwars has a man-crush on me
 
Join Date: August 11, 2006
Location: NY - Capital Region (Albany)
Posts: 3,987
Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness Uprising wears ripped pants of awesomeness
Concan is a big player in our house. My brother loves Sentinel & Knight armies and he usually picks him. He is always one of the last to die and he can stand on his own without any problems. Solid 80 point hero.

"One good thing about music, when it hits, you feel no pain"
http://web.bobmarley.com/index.jsp

"It's not a lie, if you believe it" - George Costanza

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old August 8th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Eclipse's Avatar
Eclipse Eclipse is offline
regurgitation cynic
 
Join Date: July 19, 2006
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 4,103
Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness Eclipse wears ripped pants of awesomeness
Concan's one of my personal favorite units. He's just a solid all around figure though he's not as easy to use as other heroes in his class. The castles really gave him a huge boost overall. Being able to move effortlessly to the wall walks gives him a pretty major advantage, and at 5 move, he's a very fast flier. I've found he plays best as a vulture, hopping up to a high spot then picking off important targets when the chance arrives. He's invaluable for swooping behind a swarm of approaching Romans or MacDirks and taking down Marcus/Alastair to weaken the commons.

Where Concan really shines, however, is cooperative games. If one player runs Concan while the other runs the KoW, Sentinels , or Templar, its much easier to coordinate attacks using his adjacency bonus. If nothing else, he's a large game figure, who really struts his stuff when there's a large map to take advantage of his speedy flight.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old August 8th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Taeblewalker's Avatar
Taeblewalker Taeblewalker is offline
Will Ultimately Face the Evil Black Dragon
 
Join Date: May 9, 2006
Location: Monticello, NY
Posts: 10,422
Images: 213
Blog Entries: 2
Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldin
Nifty - wish I had him Did you mean Concan to be a Bishop class (as in the Stat Analysis) or a Knight class (as per the text)? I lean toward Bishop myself, especially after reading your review without seeing any particular focus on keeping him alive.

~Aldin, pawn
Thanks for the heads up. I will say knight (see edit) because his synergy bonuses can really change the game if you keep him alive long enough to make the Templar, Knights or Sentinels +1/+1 for several rounds.

I also edited a bit in at the end regarding the "blocking" units.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old August 8th, 2007, 02:04 PM
Revdyer's Avatar
Revdyer Revdyer is offline
Our Invaluable & Highly Esteemed Resident Chaplain
 
Join Date: May 9, 2006
Location: AR - Little Rock
Posts: 13,323
Images: 11
Blog Entries: 18
Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth Revdyer is a man of the cloth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclipse
Concan's one of my personal favorite units. He's just a solid all around figure though he's not as easy to use as other heroes in his class. The castles really gave him a huge boost overall. Being able to move effortlessly to the wall walks gives him a pretty major advantage, and at 5 move, he's a very fast flier. I've found he plays best as a vulture, hopping up to a high spot then picking off important targets when the chance arrives. He's invaluable for swooping behind a swarm of approaching Romans or MacDirks and taking down Marcus/Alastair to weaken the commons.

Where Concan really shines, however, is cooperative games. If one player runs Concan while the other runs the KoW, Sentinels , or Templar, its much easier to coordinate attacks using his adjacency bonus. If nothing else, he's a large game figure, who really struts his stuff when there's a large map to take advantage of his speedy flight.
That's very interesting...in the Dallas Team game last winter, my partner and I divided the armies, with me having Concan and 4th Mass, him having Knights and Sentinels. It worked pretty well, but our lack of experience (the tournament itself was the first team games we'd ever played) handicapped us. We still finished in the top third, though. (7th out of 21.)

And we call him "Coke can."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old August 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
markwars's Avatar
markwars markwars is offline
Mintiest of the Minty
 
Join Date: May 10, 2006
Location: TX - Dallas (Denton)
Posts: 8,925
Images: 9
Blog Entries: 14
markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness markwars wears ripped pants of awesomeness
I call him, "itty bitty torso man".

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old August 27th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Fezzikthedoor's Avatar
Fezzikthedoor Fezzikthedoor is offline
I got your favorite member right here
 
Join Date: February 15, 2007
Location: Japan-Kasumigaseki-Tokyo
Posts: 733
Fezzikthedoor knows what's in an order marker Fezzikthedoor knows what's in an order marker
Have you enjoyed this guide? Think you want to write one just like it? Well, DON'T! At least not without asking. Agatagary put together a very nice format, and we're trying to maintain a very high and polished level with them. If you want to do a guide to a character, by all means do so, but please do it via a different method.

Can't live without doing it the "Strategy Guide: How to Use" way? Then contact Agatagary, Markwars, Taeblewalker, or myself via a P.M. We're just like the Masons, only without the fancy rings or the chicks. Maybe you're guide is so impressive we'll beg you to join--maybe not. Either way, please have the courtesy to ask.

Thanks. Hope everyone has enjoyed the guides so far, and we're gonna keep on cranking them out, hopefully with the same high quality.

You are the brute squad!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grishnakh finally
And go Flock yourself.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old September 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Taeblewalker's Avatar
Taeblewalker Taeblewalker is offline
Will Ultimately Face the Evil Black Dragon
 
Join Date: May 9, 2006
Location: Monticello, NY
Posts: 10,422
Images: 213
Blog Entries: 2
Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death! Taeblewalker is hot lava death!
I added Sir Dupuis to the guide.

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old September 4th, 2007, 09:14 PM
nerdyninja nerdyninja is offline
 
Join Date: March 20, 2007
Location: Duluth, GA
Posts: 669
nerdyninja has disabled reputation

<a><img></a>
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Heroscapers > Official Classic HeroScape > Heroscape Strategy Articles
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:14 PM.

Heroscape background footer

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.