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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

I'm planning on sinking my teeth into my other initial (hopefully tonight) and then I'll be able to turn my attention to public testing fully for a bit.

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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Human Robot

Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Human Robot @180, Nick Fury, SHIELD Agents x2, Gorilla-Man, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (800) vs Black Canary, Robin (Dick), Green Arrow (Ollie), Speedy (Roy), Hawkeye (II), Oracle (800)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Human Robot @180, Nick Fury, SHIELD Agents x2, Gorilla-Man, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (800) vs Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Iron Man Mk IV, Ragdoll (800)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Human Robot @190, Cyborg (II), Red Tornado, Angel (Warren), Martian Manhunter (II), Flash (Wally), Silk Spectre (1610) vs Kingpin (II), Lady Shiva, Punisher, Shocker, Chronos, Crime Alley Crooks x3, Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Doctor Octopus (I), Hired Guns (1610)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Initial still in progress here.

A couple games in, it's looking like 180 might be okay, depending on how the next game or two shakes out. Went with Ivy's Greenhouse because I feel like the road kinda pushes people to line up for Death Ray. Death Ray isn't reliable, but it can be nasty. Taking out Oracle early in that first game was huge. Open to input before setting up game three.

Update after game three: interesting to see him in a longer game where he has room to wear a couple different hats. This was a tight game that could have gone either way - I think Human Robot was a little lucky to beat out Spider-Man, but he did swing it to manage the narrow win.

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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

If the Mad Thinker reeval were done I would have said to explore his Android build options a bit. Maybe you still can just in a different direction. I see on the list of synergy that Cyborg II can repair him, combining that repair power with his natural repair ability might be something worth taking a look at.
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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

If it’s worth anything, I should have my Mad Thinker re-eval playtests done this weekend. Sorry again for taking so long.
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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

I'm content focusing on the Nick Fury stuff for now - I think that's pretty far and away his primo build for the moment, since dropping him right near the enemy SZ gives him a good chance at lining up some Death Ray targets, and if he goes down early he's much more likely to resurrect.

The Mad Thinker re-eval will almost certainly be wrapped while he's in public testing, so we can test that out then. I'm fine leaving Android synergies and other stuff up to public testing.

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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

Boom Tube can drop him in front of the opponents SZ as well.

*edit*

Cyborg II 230
Robot 180
Red Tornado 300
Polaris 200
Angel 90 ...........1000

Cyborg gets 3 markers and has 2 Androids to help heal up. He can drop the Boom Tune and send Robot through early to strike at the start zone, or you can try to line up your opponents figures late or mid game for a big blast. Red Tornado can blow people into a line pretty easily, Polaris can try to help with her Magnetic Toss power or keep someone in place with the Bubble Trap power, then Angle can move Robot around on defense and drop him into the perfect placement for his big shot.

*edit 2*

Actually I might just drop Polaris for another 200 point unit with more offensive potential. Angel, Cyborg, & Red Tornado already give Cyborg the 3 markers so you don't need to spend those 200 points on another Protector and her move and hold powers are not as effective or consistent as what Red Tornado can do in term of lining your opponent figure up for Robot. Using the Boom Tube to drop Conan into the middle of your opponents forces after Robot goes down sounds like fun. Then again Kraven could be in position to pick up where Robot ends without needing to burn a marker on the Boom Tube, which means Cyborg can save that marker for healing Robot or Red Tornado.

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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

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Boom Tube can drop him in front of the opponents SZ as well.
Fair point.

I do worry a little that a 1000 point Cyborg/Tornado thing is taking too much focus off Human Robot. If I run that, I'll probably keep the match smallish by not filling the 200 point gap and running it as an 800 point build.

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That is a good idea.
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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

Judge Fear could be nice for keeping figures in line, especially if they do not have SS.
He can Teleport in and Mantrap figures with no OMs and maybe even negate one of their Shields on Defense.
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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

Just a general observation on the two tests you completed, I noticed that Robot never healed himself in either game while on the game board. He returned from death once in both games, but he also died in one round in both games before returning then didn't use the healing after returning either. Not sure if it that was more to due with the design or the tactics, but if his healing power isn't giving him any help while in the fight then we should take a look at why.

In an alternate to the suicide bomb strategy, you could try to just keep him alive for as long as possible in his first life (defensive screen, beat cops, defense boosters, heroic duty, additional healing, etc.), then have a hard to kill clean up figure in the SZ that can run around and not die for 4 rounds. Someone like the Flash, or Spider-Man, or Joker II & HQ, or an X healer, etc. The goal is to still get two lives out of him, just maximize the first life and then extend the game long enough for a second life as a clean up figure. This is where a larger point total game might actually come into play, the bigger the initial armies are generally the longer the game lasts, and the more likely you can bring him back a second time without going suicidal in the first life.
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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

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Just a general observation on the two tests you completed, I noticed that Robot never healed himself in either game while on the game board. He returned from death once in both games, but he also died in one round in both games before returning then didn't use the healing after returning either. Not sure if it that was more to due with the design or the tactics, but if his healing power isn't giving him any help while in the fight then we should take a look at why.
I think it's just the nature of the build that he never survived to the start of the next round once he started drawing fire.

If you were running him in an Avengers build or something (or even the Cyborg one, where he gets to jump up with a couple support figures), he probably wouldn't go down as quickly and the healing would be more relevant. But Nick Fury dropping him in front of the SZ all by his lonesome, to Death Ray and screen for the SHIELD Agents, means he doesn't tend to last super long.

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In an alternate to the suicide bomb strategy, you could try to just keep him alive for as long as possible in his first life (defensive screen, beat cops, defense boosters, heroic duty, additional healing, etc.), then have a hard to kill clean up figure in the SZ that can run around and not die for 4 rounds. Someone like the Flash, or Spider-Man, or Joker II & HQ, or an X healer, etc. The goal is to still get two lives out of him, just maximize the first life and then extend the game long enough for a second life as a clean up figure. This is where a larger point total game might actually come into play, the bigger the initial armies are generally the longer the game lasts, and the more likely you can bring him back a second time without going suicidal in the first life.
Yeah, it might be worth throwing him into a game with some good keep-away figure, or just a bigger game that'll naturally take longer, to see how it goes.

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Re: The Book of Human Robot (Initial Testing)

Thoughts about renaming Restoration Enchantment to something more generic so it can potentially be reused?
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