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C3G Legacy Library This is the archive for all the designs released in the original era of C3G. Feel free to post any figure specific questions in their individual books.


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The Book of Superman (Superman Family)

The Book of Superman (Superman Family)

C3G DC WAVE 42
SUPERMAN FAMILY



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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Streets of Gotham set.
Its model number and name are #033 / Superman.

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Character Bio - I'll tell you something about glory. A hero doesn't want it. The best day of my life will be the day the world doesn't need me anymore. But until that day comes... I'll never quit fighting for what's right.

-- Kal-El
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

NAME = SUPERMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = KAL-EL
SPECIES = KRYPTONIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = VALIANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 8

MOVE = 8
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = 430

SUPERMAN FAMILY

After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a Unique Kryptonian Champion and taking a turn with that Champion, if that Champion has no more than one revealed numbered Order Marker on its card, you may then take a turn with any other Unique Champion you control that is a Daxamite, Human, or Kryptonian within 6 clear sight spaces of that Champion. You may not take any additional turns.

HOPE IN ACTION
When rolling defense dice for a figure you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Superman, you may reroll X dice, where X is the number of revealed Order Markers on this card.

MAN OF STEEL
When rolling defense against a normal attack from a figure who is not a Kryptonian, all blanks rolled count as extra shields.

SUPER STRENGTH
FLYING

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Old September 30th, 2020, 08:12 AM
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

Alrighty, we have finally arrived at the centerpiece, Superman IV!

Changes from LCW:
Dropped Metahuman. It was there to grab Lana and Kenan. Current write up for Kenan pegs him as Human, which works because its a little ambiguous where he falls. Technically we can argue Lana is in a similar place given to the nature of how both got their powers, but we can tackle that when we get to those places.

Moved Hope in Action to defense only, and swapped it to only defense. For now, removed the once per round limit, but willing to alter that dial as we go.

Posted up several comic art options from Jiminez, because again, super cool to keep it all going by the same artist with characters present in modern day Family. Absolutely adore the next to last one, but I know that probably wouldn't work well for a card (or with how we approach cards) but I think it awesomely captures the ideal here, so couldn't help but at least share it.

Don't care for the Rebirth mini, so for now I'm marking it as that's close to Rebirth without the symbol having as many of the sharp edged looks of New 52 era.
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

Cool write up that bridges the Superman Family and Justice League factions well.

14 current options for Kryptonian/Human Champion (No Champion Mon-El yet for Daxamite), which include:

Thor (Jane Foster)
X-O Manowar
Doctor Fate (II)
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Captain Marvel (Mary)
Supergirl (II)
Captain Marvel Jr.
Booster Gold
Liu Kang
Batman (III)
Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Green Arrow (II)
Starman (Jack)
Superboy (II)

Supergirl, Superboy, and Green Arrow all seem like good options for him. No D20 makes Fate and Batman less appealing. Hawkgirl, Jane Thor, X-O, and the Captain Marvels are all decent pairings of big hitters too.

Krypto and Johnathan Kent are nicely placed to be good Sidekick add ons.

Green Arrow, Hawkgirl, Batman/Fate, Superman, and Krypto/Jon Kent might be the basis for a solid build. Could probably do one with Superboy/Supergirl/Kellex too.

Edit: Flamebird and Nightwing incoming too, of course.

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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

Looks good to me.
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

Super!

Might want to tweak the bonding language to be clear that you choose a Human Champion, Kryptonian Champion, or Daxamite Champion and not a Daxamite Champion or a Human or a Kryptonian.

(I think restructuring to like "Unique Champion Hero that is a Human, Kryptonian or Daxamite" would do the job).
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

Superman IV is the one where he fights the Nuclear Man, right?

Design looks good, I’m excited for this one.
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

I like the idea of pairing him up with JaneThor, as they seem like the sort of people that would get along well.

My only question is on the first power - you say "if there is only one revealed Order Marker" on that card. I'm reading that as including the one you just revealed - so if you reveal OM1 on Supergirl, you can use Superman Family. But then, when you reveal OM2 on Supergirl, you can't. Is that intent? Not sure if there's a clearer way to word that, maybe an "if that was the only revealed numbered Order Marker on that card," or something?

I also personally would cut Daxamite, since it's going to rope in like one dude at most - from what I remember the Daxamites are pretty evil on average anyways. Nice to have but Mon-El is like a tertiary Superman Family character at best, and it streamlines things nicely.
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

As much as it hurts to say, cutting the Daxamite callout makes some sense. It really is just 1 potential unit basically (unless we make Sodam Yat a Champion to avoid Kilowog boosts, and even then he’s not a thematic ally really.)
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Re: The Book of Superman IV (Quest for Breathing)

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Cool write up that bridges the Superman Family and Justice League factions well.

14 current options for Kryptonian/Human Champion (No Champion Mon-El yet for Daxamite), which include:

Thor (Jane Foster)
X-O Manowar
Doctor Fate (II)
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Captain Marvel (Mary)
Supergirl (II)
Captain Marvel Jr.
Booster Gold
Liu Kang
Batman (III)
Hawkgirl (Kendra)
Green Arrow (II)
Starman (Jack)
Superboy (II)

Supergirl, Superboy, and Green Arrow all seem like good options for him. No D20 makes Fate and Batman less appealing. Hawkgirl, Jane Thor, X-O, and the Captain Marvels are all decent pairings of big hitters too.

Krypto and Johnathan Kent are nicely placed to be good Sidekick add ons.

Green Arrow, Hawkgirl, Batman/Fate, Superman, and Krypto/Jon Kent might be the basis for a solid build. Could probably do one with Superboy/Supergirl/Kellex too.

Edit: Flamebird and Nightwing incoming too, of course.
Yep, definitely a lot of design choices were made with those things in mind. Jon becomes a solid pick because he lets you reveal another marker on Superman without it being a lost bonding turn. Definitely didn't want things being D20 heavy in the faction, and am especially glad with some of the newer folks as they shouldn't be the easy/obvious pulls. The nice thing is that honestly if you're only taking Superman for the single bonding turn, you probably should take Martian II, as he's gonna have a lot more flexibility with it.

Krypto is a great add for keeping Kryptonians alive and hopefully Streaky will provide a similar aid.

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Super!

Might want to tweak the bonding language to be clear that you choose a Human Champion, Kryptonian Champion, or Daxamite Champion and not a Daxamite Champion or a Human or a Kryptonian.

(I think restructuring to like "Unique Champion Hero that is a Human, Kryptonian or Daxamite" would do the job).

Yep, I think that restructure is great. Did a similar thing on Jon's card if I recall.

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Superman IV is the one where he fights the Nuclear Man, right?

Design looks good, I’m excited for this one.
Yes, and it was not good lol. Glad to hear some excitement! Been having fun really building up to this one.

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I like the idea of pairing him up with JaneThor, as they seem like the sort of people that would get along well.
I do enjoy that honestly Liu Kang is probably the one he's least likely to hang out and get along with on the non-DC list.

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My only question is on the first power - you say "if there is only one revealed Order Marker" on that card. I'm reading that as including the one you just revealed - so if you reveal OM1 on Supergirl, you can use Superman Family. But then, when you reveal OM2 on Supergirl, you can't. Is that intent? Not sure if there's a clearer way to word that, maybe an "if that was the only revealed numbered Order Marker on that card," or something?
Yeah, the intent is essentially a "the first time you reveal a numbered order marker on that card" sort of thing, but it felt weirdly worded when I wrote it out.

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I also personally would cut Daxamite, since it's going to rope in like one dude at most - from what I remember the Daxamites are pretty evil on average anyways. Nice to have but Mon-El is like a tertiary Superman Family character at best, and it streamlines things nicely.
I mean, definitely disagree on tertiary. Dude was one of the main people filling in for Superman in the whole World Against Superman, Zod New Krypton thing. He's just in a weird role half the time with the shuttled off to the future. It felt easier to add back in with the changes we made from an initial incarnation, but I'm ultimately fine putting the factional impetus more on Mon-El himself than Kal. Heck, Jon is evidence that having a few tag along folks that aren't directly in that synergy are good for things overall.

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As much as it hurts to say, cutting the Daxamite callout makes some sense. It really is just 1 potential unit basically (unless we make Sodam Yat a Champion to avoid Kilowog boosts, and even then he’s not a thematic ally really.)
Daxamite works because the obvious person its referencing better than Metahuman, but yeah ultimately each of them are bringing in very little intentional folks with one having a lot of unnecessary baggage. I think a Champion Mon-El can still work really well in the faction, he might just look different than what I once had.
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