The Book of Giganto (The Mole Monster)

[japes]

GIGANTIC SMASH
Giganto may add 2 to her range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 10 levels higher than her height or 10 levels lower than her base. Giganto may attack non-adjacent figures when she is engaged, unless itshe is adjacent to an opponent's huge figure.

I think this makes it clearer. "it is adjacent" can be read as if the non adjacent figure she is attacking can't be attacked when that figure is adjacent to a huge figure.

Love that this got used and this looks like a blast to play.

[Ericth74]

Originally Posted by japes

GIGANTIC SMASH
Giganto may add 2 to her range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 10 levels higher than her height or 10 levels lower than her base. Giganto may attack non-adjacent figures when she is engaged, unless itshe is adjacent to an opponent's huge figure.

I think this makes it clearer. "it is adjacent" can be read as if the non adjacent figure she is attacking can't be attacked when that figure is adjacent to a huge figure.

Love that this got used and this looks like a blast to play.

Thanks, updating.

[Arch-vile]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Giganto

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Giganto (370), Mole Man (100), Moloids x13 (130) (600) VS Captain Cold (II), Murmur, Rainbow Raider, Pied Piper, Mirror Master (Leg Swap), Weather Wizard (I) (600)

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One thing I noticed right away is that Moloids bond with Mole Man with the OM on the Moloid’s card, while Mole Man bonds with Giganto with the OM on Mole Man. Not much of a way around that with Giganto, but it’s something to probably standardize in 2.0.

Rogues get some early kills on Moloids while they move up. But then Mole Man rushes forward, killing Rainbow Raider in one shot, then summons Giganto out, who deals a ton of wounds with Gigantic Ambush. Giganto brings Cold to 4 wounds. Rogues have terrible dice and can’t touch Giganto. Giganto kills Cold. Mirror Master swaps legs with Giganto and actually deals him a few wounds. Weather Wizard kills Mole Man.

Giganto takes out Murmur and nearly kills Weather Wizard and Mirror Master. Rogues bring Giganto to 6 wounds. Giganto kills Weather Wizard. Pied Piper kills Giganto. Moloids clean up the last Rogues.


Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): 7 Moloids win.

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Giganto (370), Dr Doom (375) (745) VS Vegeta (base + SSJ), Krillin (750)

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Doom goes after Krillin early, dealing him 3 wounds. While Giganto takes a few wounds from Vegeta and Krillin. Then Giganto kills Vegeta, turning him into Super Saiyan Vegeta. Vegeta brings Giganto to 6 wounds. Doom kills Krillin while Giganto puts a few wounds on Vegeta, then Vegeta kills Giganto. Never got a chance to use Gigantic Ambush this game due to the positioning of Vegeta & Krillin.

A healthy Doom and a 3-wound Vegeta face off. Vegeta initially rolls better and brings Doom to 3 wounds, but then Doom mystic power drains Vegeta. Vegeta is crippled as well by Atomic Rush being risky thanks to Elaborate Pit Trap. Despite this, Vegeta prevails and kills Doctor Doom thanks to some lucky Afterimage Technique rolls.


Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Vegeta Super Saiyan (5 wounds) wins.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Giganto is a fun one. Gigantic Ambush is a great way to enter the fray after you’ve moved up your Human Ruler. Gigantic Smash means it is very hard to avoid being hit by Giganto if she wants to hit you. It’s a pretty necessary power too, given her base size makes it difficult to place and find height.

Balance felt pretty good. Wouldn’t make any changes.

[Ericth74]

Thanks Archie!

[Ericth74]

From Cinderquail:

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Giganto – The Mole Monster

Version tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = GIGANTO

SPECIES = DEVIANT
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SUBTERRANEAN
PERSONALITY = LOYAL

SIZE/HEIGHT = HUGE 15?(really big)

LIFE = 7

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 370

IN SERVICE OF THE MASTER
After revealing an order marker on and taking a turn with a Human Ruler you control, you may take a turn with Giganto, and you may not take any additional turns.

GIGANTIC AMBUSH
Once per game after revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving, you may place Giganto on any non-water spaces that Giganto could end her movement on that are within 6 spaces of a Human Ruler that you control. If there are figures on those spaces, you may first move those figures 2 spaces each, ignoring leaving engagement attacks. Place Giganto on the chosen spaces and roll 2 unblockable attack dice against each figure adjacent to Giganto.

GIGANTIC SMASH
Giganto may add 2 to her range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 10 levels higher than her height or 10 levels lower than her base. Giganto may attack non-adjacent figures when she is engaged, unless she is adjacent to an opponent's huge figure.

SUPER STRENGTH

Army Test
Map: Cell Games Arena
Units: 600 pts – Mole Man, Moloids x13, Giganto VS 600 pts – Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Moon Knight 150

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt: R3T3 Luke 2 wounds – Ambush
R3T3 Luke Cage 1 wound.
R4T2 Moon Knight 1 wound
R4T3 Moon Knight 3 wounds
R5T3 Moon Knight 1 wound - dead


IN SERVICE OF THE MASTER: Used often, needed to split order markers with the Moloids and Mole Man though.

GIGANTIC AMBUSH: Used once doing 2 wounds to Luke Cage and moving him to low ground.

GIGANTIC SMASH: Used once on Iron Fist but missed.

R1 – Movement.
R2 – Movement.
R3 – Iron Fist Kills many Moloids. Moloids do 2 wounds to Iron First. Mole Man and Giganto kill Luke Cage. Iron Fist puts 3 wounds on Mole Man.
R4 – Moon Knight kills 4 Moloids, Mole Man and Iron Fist. Giganto attacks Moon Knight twice doing 4.
R5 – Moon Knight attacks Giganto and does 1 wound. Giganto attacks but its blocked.
Moon Knight attacks and she blocks it. Giganto kills Moon Knight.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Giganto 3 wounds/4 life left, Moloids x1

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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: 1000 pts – Dr Doom 375, Doombot, Giganto, Radioactive Man VS 1000 pts – Fantastic Four

Spoiler Alert!

Damage Dealt: R1T2 1 wound to Invisible Woman – Ambush
R2T2 Thing 4 wounds
R2T3 Thing 1 wound - dead


IN SERVICE OF THE MASTER: Every marker went on Dr Doom and took turns with Giganto.

GIGANTIC AMBUSH: Did 1 wound to Mr F, missed Invisible Woman.

GIGANTIC SMASH: Not used this game.

Total domination by Dr Doom. Doom took out Invisible Woman and Mr Fantastic at the end of Round 1. He followed it up by stealing Human Torch's powers and killing him at the start round 2. Doom left Giganto to take care of The Thing. Fantastic Four rolled almost no shields. Game was over at the end of round 2. Mostly a Doctor Doom killing machine game.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Dr Doom full 6 life, Giganto 5 wounds/2 life left, full life Doombot, full life Radioactive Man

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: 370 is good, close game in game 1. Game 2 was a total blowout but only because Doom was on fire.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Giganto is a pretty straight forward bonding hero. Her Ambush and Reach are easy to understand and pretty useful. Ambush can really swing a game if the unblockables land. I like that it brings Mole Man and the Moloids back from the dead, the Dr Doom combo is strong but not too much as it is 745 pts or 840 with a Doombot. If the LD decided a tweak was needed they could drop life from 6 to 7, but I didn't feel it was necessary.

[Ericth74]

Giganto is 3-1 in Public Playtesting so far, althought one was such a fluky win I almost can't count it. I think I'll wait for one more set of tests before moving forward/adjusting.

[toyhandle]

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Giganto (Mole Monster)
Version Tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = GIGANTO

SPECIES = DEVIANT
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SUBTERRANEAN
PERSONALITY = LOYAL

SIZE/HEIGHT = HUGE 15?(really big)

LIFE = 7

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 370

IN SERVICE OF THE MASTER
After revealing an order marker on and taking a turn with a Human Ruler you control, you may take a turn with Giganto, and you may not take any additional turns.

GIGANTIC AMBUSH
Once per game after revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of moving, you may place Giganto on any non-water spaces that Giganto could end her movement on that are within 6 spaces of a Human Ruler that you control. If there are figures on those spaces, you may first move those figures 2 spaces each, ignoring leaving engagement attacks. Place Giganto on the chosen spaces and roll 2 unblockable attack dice against each figure adjacent to Giganto.

GIGANTIC SMASH
Giganto may add 2 to her range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 10 levels higher than her height or 10 levels lower than her base. Giganto may attack non-adjacent figures when she is engaged, unless she is adjacent to an opponent's huge figure.

SUPER STRENGTH

Army Test
Map: City Park
Units:
Giganto (370), Doctor Doom (375), Doombot (95)x2, Kristoff von Doom (115), Stan Lee (50) (1100)
Ms Marvel (350), Cap (240), Winter Soldier (240), Wolverine(Avengers) (270) (1100)
Results:
As close as it gets. Was looking to be a bad loss for Doom, but Giganto landing 2 unblockables on both Cap and Winter Soldier, tying them down while attacking Ms Marvel from range evened things up.
The Giganto/Doom combo makes it so you risk an LEA from Giganto, on top of risking Pit Trap, so it takes the heat off Doom.
Nice to have a big rock for Doom, and adds variety to the Doom/Kristoff/Doombot draft.
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Game Summary:
Stan Lee is a Righteous Ruler. Cap is Winter Soldier’s
Initiative: Toy
R1T1(Player): Doom destroys a tree, Giganto fails to destroy a tree.
R1T1(Player): Cap inches forward, destroys a tree. Winter soldier inches up.
R1T2(Player): Doom moves up, he and Giganto fail to wound trees.
R1T2(Player): Carol puts 4 wounds on Doom.
R1T3(Player): Doom moves up, Wolvie tracks. Inflicts 2 wounds on Ms. Marvel. Fails Power Drain. Krisotff moves up, destroys tree.
R1T3(Player): Winter Soldier destroys Doom, and he replaces a Doombot. Ms. Marvel destroys a tree.

Initiative: Toy
R2T1(Player): Doom moves up, Giganto whiffs tree.
R2T1(Player): Cap destroyed 2 trees and wounded a great evergreen with shield. Winter Soldier destroys the great evergreen, wounding Kristoff.
R2T2(Player): Doom whiffs, Kristoff is blocked.
R2T2(Player): Carol moves up, 1 wound on Doom.
R2T3(Player): Giganto ambushes, Wolverine tracks. 2 unblockables hit both Cap and WS. Fails to wound Cap with attack.
R2T3(Player): Giganto blocks WS. Takes 2 wounds from Carol.

Initiative: Toy
R3T1(Player): Doom engages Ms. Marvel. Fails to wound, power drains, takes a wound. And Giganto fails to wound.
R3T1(Player): Cap avoids Pit Trap, takes a wound from Doom’s Best Offense. Winter Soldier rolls 5 skulls against Giganto, Stan Lee cameos.
R3T2(Player): Doom fails to wound Cap, Giganto puts 1 wound on Carol. WS’s Got Your Six fails.
R3T2(Player): Cap and Carol destroy Doom, who is saved by Doombot.
R3T3(Player): Doom fails to wound Cap. Giganto puts 1 wound on Carol.
R3T3(Player): Giganto blocks Cap and takes 1 wound from WS.

Initiative: Toy
R4T1(Player): Doom power drains Cap. Giganto destroys Cap. Wolvie takes his Order Marker and inflicts 2 wounds on Giganto.
R4T1(Player): Wolverine attempts Adamantium Flurry on Gigantic and fails.
R4T2(Player): Giganto and Doom fail to wound.
R4T2(Player): Wolverine attempts Adamantium Flurry on Gigantic and fails. Carol destroys Giganto,
R4T3(Player): Doom takes a wound attacking Carol, and Kristoff puts 2 wounds on Winter Soldier. Got Your Six misses.
R4T3(Player): WS fails to wound Doom. Carol puts 2 wounds on Kristoff.

Initiative: Ericth
R5T1(Player): WS destroys Kristoff. Doom blocks Carol.
R5T1(Player): Doom destroys Carol, takes a Best Defense wound, and Wolverine takes her Order Markers. Got Your Six fails.
R5T2(Player): Wolverine avoids pit trap. Fails to wound
R5T2(Player): Doom fails everything
R5T3(Player): Doom blocks
R5T3(Player): Doom inflicts 4 wounds on Wolverine

Initiative: Toy
R6T1(Player): Doom fails everything
R6T1(Player): Wolvie fais
R6T2(Player): Doom takes Wolverine’s power.
R6T2(Player): Doom blocks
R6T3(Player): Doom destroys Wolverine.
R6T3(Player): Winter Soldier destroys Doom

Initiative: Toy
R7T1(Player): Stan Lee moves up.
R7T1(Player): WS puts 2 wounds on Stan.
R7T2(Player): WS blocks
R7T2(Player): WS destroys Stan.

Who won?
Winter Soldier with 4 of 5 wounds.

Army Test
Map: Bad Moon Rising
Units:
Giganto (370), Mole Man (100), Judge Anderson (190), Moloids (10)x14
Luke Cage (190), Iron Fist (260), Tigra (170), Punisher (180)
Results:
Poor Giganto barely did anything. His pop up inflicted no wounds, but he did help stamp out Punisher, who would have inhibited the swarms of Moloids. Only attacked for 3 wounds in 2 attacks, and got destroyed by Luke Cage in 2 attacks, lasting less than 1 round.
The Moloids surrounded Mole Man to keep him safe from the melee fighters, on top of Judge Anderson’s protection, and their numerous attacks chipped through the Defender’s health.
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Game Summary:

Initiative: Ericth
R1T1(Player): Tigra, Luke and Punisher move up.
R1T1(Player): Mole Man and Moloids move up, clearing some battlements.
R1T2(Player): Iron Fist, Luke and Punisher move up.
R1T2(Player): Mole Man and Moloids move up, clearing some battlements.
R1T3(Player): Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Punisher move up. Judge Anderson blocks Punisher's attack.
R1T3(Player): Mole Man and Moloids advance.

Initiative: Ericth
R2T1(Player): Judge Anderson ends Iron Fist’s turn, and Mole Man avoids Punisher’s hit.
R2T1(Player): Giganto tunnels to Luke, misses unblockables, and attacks Punisher for 2 wounds.
R2T2(Player): Iron Fist destroys 3 Moloids, and Luke puts 4 wounds on Giganto.
R2T2(Player): Mole Man tunnels, puts 2 wounds on Punisher, and Giganto destroys him.
R2T3(Player): Iron Fist puts 2 wounds on Mole Man, and Luke Cage destroys Giganto.
R2T3(Player): Mole man puts 1 wound on Iron Fist.

Initiative: Ericth
R3T1(Player): Iron Fist destroys 2 Moloids and heals. Mole Man avoids Luke.
R3T1(Player): Mole Man puts 1 wound on Luke. Moloids put 3 wounds on Luke.
R3T2(Player): Mole Man blocks Iron Fist. Judge Anderson ends Luke’s turn.
R3T2(Player): Mole Man destroys Luke. Moloids do 2 wounds on Iron Fist.
R3T3(Player): OM3 Luke.
R3T3(Player): 1 wound on Iron Fist.

Initiative: Ericth
R4T1(Player): Iron Fist destroys 1 Moloid and heals.
R4T1(Player): 1 wound on Iron Fist.
R4T2(Player): Tigra destroys a Moloid.
R4T2(Player): Mole Man destroys Iron Fist. No wounds on Tigra.
R4T3(Player): Tigra leaps away and destroys a Moloid.
R4T3(Player): 1 wound on Tigra.

Initiative: Ericth
R5T1(Player): Tigra destroys a Moloid
R5T1(Player): 3 wounds on Tigra.
R5T2(Player): Tigra destroys 3 Moloids.
R5T2(Player): Mole Man destroys Tigra.

Who won?
Mole Man 2 of 4 wounds. Moloid x1, Judge Anderson full life.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
His bonding is obviously very limited, but being a Unique Hero makes him more versatile than the typical Giant Monster. There’s probably a cool Guardians or Avengers build that can use him and a Human Ruler.

Balance-wise, he doesn’t have as many tools or the survivability of most other figures in his range. I always refer back to She-Hulk (370), who is a figure moving, auto-wounding, turn denying, bonding tank. Her bonding is limited, but easier to factor into more builds than Giganto.
Abomination is 360 though, and they’re very comparable. Abomination has an easier time moving around and more reliable/more opportunities for auto-wounding than Giganto.

I’d also remove the OM restriction on the Ambush power. It’s already once per game, and telegraphs the “ambush” a little too much. Doing Giganto, Mole Man and Moloids already pulls the Order Markers off of Moloids and onto Mole Man.
I like the way the Moloids require an OM, and don’t want that to change, because having so many of them makes them a safer OM hub than Mole Man.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
The Mole Empire is a fun “faction” to play, and Giganto finally makes it more than just Moloids and Mole Man.

[Ericth74]

Thanks @toyhandle agree with dropping the order marker requirement on Ambush.

[Ericth74]

I'm switching the Ambush power to drop the need to place an order marker on Giganto to use it. It adds more tension to not have to telegraph that its coming.

GIGANTIC AMBUSH
Once per game, instead of moving, you may place Giganto on any non-water spaces that Giganto could end her movement on that are within 6 spaces of a Human Ruler that you control. If there are figures on those spaces, you may first move those figures 2 spaces each, ignoring leaving engagement attacks. Place Giganto on the chosen spaces and roll 2 unblockable attack dice against each figure adjacent to Giganto.

[Ericth74]

I propose a vote for final editing

[IAmBatman]

Yea

[Arch-vile]

yea