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Re: The Book of The Crow
I personally would like to try to come up with something LP will accept(though I am not sure how to go about it).
I see no reason to rush this since it has sat in limbo for so long. If need be, I say put it on hold and we will try again later. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
#434
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Re: The Book of The Crow
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I'd rather not wait a whole lot longer either. There are only a couple more figures in the reevaluation queue and I for one would like to finish them up. ".... the Cambridge ladies do not care, above Cambridge if sometimes in its box of sky lavender and cornerless, the moon rattles like a fragment of angry candy" |
#435
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Re: The Book of The Crow
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NAME = THE CROWThat nicely simplifies the card as well, and hits all the balance and theme notes I feel are really necessary (plus I've never thought forcing him to attack his target was necessary as long as there's enough incentive, which there isn't on the present card, unfortunately). What do you think, @Lord Pyre ? |
#436
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Re: The Book of The Crow
That still has two markers?
LP will not go for that. The marker is the crow. So you would need to allow the marker to move or only use it once. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
#437
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Re: The Book of The Crow
I believe Psycho-Man is the only other figure left in the queue, and there's already a consensus on a very simple starting point for re-eval there (make Hate not distinguish between friend and foe). I've considered suggesting we jump over to P-Man and bang him out before circling back here. It would be nice to not leave him hanging too long, but at the same time it's not like The Crow is going away.
I am still not clear if LP (or some others who have criticized the first excised sentence in L_O's version there) were aware that The Crow was allowed to attack other figures in my version; he just had to attack a marked figure if one was a targetable option when attacking. I'd be OK with L_O version. The main rationale for the forced attack was to keep the Crow from avoiding attacking the last marked figure because he wants to stay on the battlefield. If you're removing the departure from the battlefield, then the Crow is less likely to avoid attacking that figure. Although losing the resilience power is still a penalty, so maybe not. In case it's not obvious, I think that both the thirst for vengeance implied by the required targeting, and the returning to rest when vengeance is complete, help reinforce the theme of the character. I am concerned that that stripped down version is a bit too generic - it almost feels like Kraven or Lobo, to me. Those negative aspects of the design also allow us to keep the price down and avoid further stat nerfs. But it's looking unlikely that anyone is going to get everything they want here, so I do want to register my support for that design, even if I'm less excited by it. |
#438
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Re: The Book of The Crow
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(In the actual story, Eric Draven goes after all those thugs, one after the other, despite none of them killing additional people during the course of the story. Also, even if we have just one marker, it's affecting multiple figures if we allow it to be placed on a unique squad.) I brought this up in response to LP's initial objection, but as with my correction on the targeting thing, LP has not responded to it. LP is not currently very active and has stated "do what you need to do". It's clear he's not happy with any of the changes being discussed here, but he hasn't really engaged in this discussion and he's made it clear that he doesn't want to stand in the way of the process. If he comes around and starts to become active in addressing the concerns of the re-eval, that's great, but at this point I'm not sure I see the point of trying to pass things by him. |
#439
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Re: The Book of The Crow
It is less about passing it by LP and more about ensuring we have have tried every option.
Perhaps switching gears to P-M is a good idea and we can come back to Crow. If nothing better has been proposed by then, I will have no problem going along with the majority. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
#440
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Re: The Book of The Crow
I support either the version TB posted or the version Orang posted, with a slight preference towards Orang's version (since it's simpler and I believe is closer to what LP wanted).
I for one would like to see the Crow get worked out now instead of setting aside the discussion again. C3G: Taking Superheroes to a Whole New Level! C3V: The Legacy of Classic 'Scape! Viegon & Family's Classic Customs, Maps, and Battlefield Videos. Enjoy App Games? Try A Day in the Life of Atlas! |
#441
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Re: The Book of The Crow
LP wants the marker to represent The Crow. Adding his suggestion to LO's proposal:
NAME = THE CROW |
#442
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Re: The Book of The Crow
There's no reason to include all that complexity with the d20 and the removal if there's no way for the Crow marker to be placed on a new card. The version you just posted would have the Crow marker lasting for one wound, then disappearing and never coming back no matter what you roll. There's literally zero difference between rolling a 2 and rolling a 20 in that power.
And as I and others have repeatedly pointed out, there's nothing inconsistent about using multiple markers to represent the singular crow that is flying around, helping Eric Draven out. In fact, if you put it on a card of a unique squad, it's already affecting multiple figures. If LP wants to address this point, then he's welcome to do so, but I don't think we should regard his initial comment on multiple markers as a red line that cannot be crossed, particularly since he's said we should do what we need to do. Frankly, it's getting frustrating to have any progress we make here repeatedly shut down because of a few comments by someone who has not provided a viable alternative and who has plainly stated that he's not going to participate in this process. I understand the desire to defer to the lead's wishes, but we should not defer to a lead who has declined the opportunity to actually lead. Last edited by dok; December 2nd, 2016 at 07:24 PM. Reason: To be clear, if LP doesn't want to work on this that's fine. Let's just not pretend that he does. |
#443
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Re: The Book of The Crow
I largely agree with this. I prefer to stick to as closely as possible to the LD's intent/desires as possible, but that only goes so far. We've already had plenty of reevals already where the original LD is no longer active on the site and is not a part of the process. I would love to work with LP on this design if he is an active and engaged part of the discussion. But I know things are very busy for him and he doesn't have much time to devote to this so I'm not sure that will happen. In the meantime, I don't feel that we should be hampered by an LD who is not a participating member of the discussion.
".... the Cambridge ladies do not care, above Cambridge if sometimes in its box of sky lavender and cornerless, the moon rattles like a fragment of angry candy" |
#444
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Re: The Book of The Crow
Maybe he feels frustrated because you are redesigning the card instead of making minor adjustments.
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If not, would adding this to the end of LIVE FOR VENGEANCE instead of "place your Crow Marker on this card" help? "roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 5 or lower, remove your Crow Marker from the game. If you roll 6 or higher, place your Crow Marker on this card." Last edited by quozl; December 2nd, 2016 at 09:57 PM. |
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