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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Sounds interesting.
I definitely think dropping the class change is the right call. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
That's kind of why I liked Master Motivator for Iron Patriot. IP is kind of Norman's "getting stuff done" identity; when he gets out and leads the fight, his cronies follow along as an army. If he isn't present, well, they don't function too well as a team.
Meanwhile I could see both Moonstone and Victoria Hand with secondary leadership powers, as they both kind of fill IP's leadership role when he's not around. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
CHAOTIC LEADERSHIP
After rolling for initiative, the player who won initiative may move any Order Markers on the Army Cards of figures you control other than this card to any other Army Cards you control. I feel like that, Master Motivator, and Double Attack would make for an interesting game. Or maybe Operative Field Commander instead of Double Attack? I like how DA and Master Motivator work together, though (and it reflects the Iron Man aspect of the character). JOHNNY139'S CLASSIC CUSTOM THREAD! | Visit now!
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Here's my write-up for Karla as Moonstone. Not 1-1 with Meteorite because two identical cards is boring and I wanted to delve into something a little different for one of my favorite villains.
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And here's one for her as Ms. Marvel. Still toying around with this one and I'm particularly up for brainstorming on Treacherous Lieutenant. I'm sure there's an argument that she doesn't need three designs, but like I said, she's a favorite of mine.
Spoiler Alert!
I want something to play up the fact that she's basically the Starscream of the Marvel Universe (except she's smart), and I want to do it in a way that plays off Iron Patriot nicely. I felt like some OM management to help Iron Patriot manage the risks of Chaotic Leadership would work nicely. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Reactionary Phasing probably needs a number attached here and on Shadow Cat II so it can be tweaked if necessary.
Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Yeah, that occurred to me while I was grabbing it off of Shadowcat, but I didn't immediately address it because I'm cool with the number for Karla.
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
She's definitely an interesting character as well as one that I have zero ideas for, so I've got no problem with you tinkering a bit. The original Meteorite is pretty straightforward.
First of all - I don't know if I've ever specifically articulated this, but I always sort of pictured the Dark Avengers as a faction that encourages you to push your luck. Iron Patriot is the centerpiece, and he's already a risk/reward figure - it's risky to put OMs on any figures other than him. So, I'd like to see each "Dark Avenger" have a power that triggers based on an OM on their card, for example. Ms. Marvel there definitely hits that - if you win initiative, you win big, but if you lose, you lose big. So she compounds the dysfunction when things are going off the rails, something that I think is key to the overall feel of the group. So that's something I'm very happy with. That being said I think the Moonstone design looks more fun to me... but Cutting Losses is the sort of thematic power I love seeing on the card, even if it's a bit narrow. EDIT: Oh, this reminds me that I never posted the Daken-as-Wolverine brainstorm draft I have. But it's been five years so forgive me. Violent Whims is really rough and probably not the right direction, but it's a good example of what I'm going for... you can get Fake Wolverine for cheaper than real Wolverine, but if you don't feed him OMs, he might stop listening to you and decide he wants to go kill someone else. But if you do feed him OMs, Chaotic Leadership might screw up your plans entirely. WOLVERINE AKIHIRO MUTANT UNIQUE HERO CHARLATAN WILD MEDIUM 4 LIFE 5 MOVE 5 RANGE 1 ATTACK 4 DEFENSE 5 200 POINTS VIOLENT WHIMS Before taking a turn with Wolverine, if you did not reveal an Order Marker on this card, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 3 or less, choose a figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Wolverine at random. If another Wolverine figure is within 4 clear sight spaces, that figure must be chosen instead. During this turn, you must move Wolverine as close to the chosen figure as possible, and Wolverine cannot attack any other figure this turn. MURAMASA CLAWS Figures subtract 1 from their defense dice when attacked by Wolverine. If the defending figure received one or more wounds and has the Healing Factor or Healing Factor X special power, it receives one additional wound. HEALING FACTOR X After taking a turn with Wolverine, remove one Wound Marker from this card. At the end of the round, if you reveal your X Order Marker on any Army Card you control with the Healing Factor X special power, remove one wound from each Army Card you control with the Healing Factor X special power. JOHNNY139'S CLASSIC CUSTOM THREAD! | Visit now!
Last edited by johnny139; July 18th, 2017 at 09:51 PM. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
I definitely wanted Ms. Marvel to lean into the high-risk/high-reward thing that Iron Patriot kicked off, yeah. Slightly tricky balance to find, where they have that kind of risky playstyle but you still want to play them together.
Violent Whims seems like it's on the right track, but could probably use some refining. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
Oh, and here are my spins on Gargan as Spidey and as Venom:
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
@johnny139
Would you mind if I moved this out into the public? MrNobody expressed an interest in doing some Dark Avengers brainstorming on the Discord, and I thought it might be handy to put this out there for him. I think a lot of the stuff early on in the thread is old enough that we wouldn't approach it the same way anymore, but it might still be a nice starting point. |
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Re: Dark Avengers/Cabal/H.A.M.M.E.R. Faction Thread
I think that should be fine. Definitely don't think I'll be running with any of these designs as-is right now (maybe Daken Wolverine) and it's not a huge priority for me.
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