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Old March 21st, 2016, 08:40 PM
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

Maybe we should get an early CRB opinion on the startzone.

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

Even if it encourages start zone podding (which I'm not convinced it does), I don't see it as a competitive issue, so much as an annoying playstyle issue. I doubt the CRB will see it differently, but I never mind hearing from those guys.

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Old March 22nd, 2016, 08:41 AM
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

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I don't like how it encourages the player to not move figures from their startzone. I wish I had another suggestion for Honor of My Country because I feel that's really important for this character but I don't have one at this time.
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I like the theme behind Honor but not sure about it's execution. Have we referenced Start Zones before on a card power? Either way, I don't like the encouragement of start zone pod sitting, that is super boring for the other team.
Normally I'm not a fan of encouraging players to sit in their startzone, but I do think it's an interesting territory for designing that we haven't explored yet, and very thematic for the character.

And yes, we've referenced Start Zones in powers before (Heimdall and the Bifrost for instance, but I'm not sure if we've used it on any other cards or not).
We also have a few drafts that reference Start Zones or at least it has been discussed for certain scientist alter ego designs.
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

So this seems to be where we're at:

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NAME = SUNFIRE
SECRET IDENTITY = SHIRO YOSHIDA

SPECIES = MUTANT
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = PROTECTOR
PERSONALITY = HONORABLE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 6
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = ???


HONORABLE DEFENDER
At the end of an opponent's turn,
if a figure you control within 4 spaces of your Start Zone received 1 or more wounds that turn, you may reveal an X Order Marker on this card to immediately take a turn with Sunfire.

ENGULF 10
Before moving, Sunfire may roll the 20-sided die once for each adjacent enemy figure. If you roll 10 or higher, that figure receives one wound. Figures with the Lava Resistant special power are not affected by Engulf 10.
Though we may want to update the wording for Engulf:
Before moving with Sunfire, you may roll the 20-sided die once for each opponent's figure without the Lava Resistant special power adjacent to Sunfire. If you roll 10 or higher, that figure receives one wound.

LAVA RESISTANT
Sunfire never rolls for molten lava damage or lava field damage and does not have to stop in molten lava spaces.

FLYING
I bumped his defense instead of his life (based on some research, his heat shielding is supposed to also give him protection against some forms of energy and even has the power to melt bullets), changed the name for Honor of my Country and reworded the beginning of it to match Hulk's power, then swapped Counter Strike for Engulf 10.

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Maybe we should get an early CRB opinion on the startzone.
I agree with Bats that I don't think it's a competitive concern; most competitive armies don't sit in their startzone, and the ones that do are generally relying on figures who need the "X" (such as Mad Thinker and Ozymandias). That said, it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and see what they think: @dok , @Dysole , @Soundwarp SG-1 , @weebear; any competitive concern with a startzone based power like the one in the quote above?

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

I'm not in love with Engulf 10, as I think it encourages you to engage with him and limit his mobility. Do we mind raising the roll? I feel it should make getting engaged less unattractive, not more attractive, if you get what I mean.
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

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I'm not in love with Engulf 10, as I think it encourages you to engage with him and limit his mobility. Do we mind raising the roll? I feel it should make getting engaged less unattractive, not more attractive, if you get what I mean.
Hmm, I see what you mean. We could definitely just bump the roll up, but maybe Engulf isn't the right power? I'm wondering if something more along the lines of an Engagement Strike would capture the right playstyle for him (encourages both him and his opponent to avoid engagement).

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

I'd definitely be onboard with Engagement Strike (or a fire/heat inspired derivative).
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

Honorable Defender is not a major competitive concern. It's a nice piece of extra efficiency in some situations but it's far from the most exploitative use of the "X" marker.
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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

Maybe something like: Engagement Burn where it triggers like Engagement Strike, but has the possibility of additional wounds (burning) if it hits?

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

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Honorable Defender is not a major competitive concern. It's a nice piece of extra efficiency in some situations but it's far from the most exploitative use of the "X" marker.
Thanks dok, that's what I figured.

As to a third power (replacing Counter Strike), it looks like we've got a lot of options. I'm going to put them together in a (sort of) poll. Feel free to vote on either just your favorite or all of the ones you support.

OPTION #1:
Engulf with a lower roll, encouraging Sunfire to engage
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OPTION #2:
Engulf with a higher roll, making engagement not quite as enticing for Sunfire
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OPTION #3:
Basic Engagement Strike, to discourage either player from engaging
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OPTION #4:
A fire-themed Engagement Strike, to discourage either player from engaging
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OPTION #5:
Raining Fire from Firefly's card, to encourage Sunfire to play a hit-and-run strategy and to avoid getting locked down
Spoiler Alert!

OPTION #6:
Some other power, preferably fire-themed (insert your suggestion)

OPTION #7:
None of the above, just leave him as a 2-power card


I'm currently leaning towards #3, 4 or 5, but I like all of the options well-enough.

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

I like 4 or 5.

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Re: The Book of Sunfire - Design Phase

I like 4 and 5.

Although since he's freshly being discussed how about following suit with Electro

ELECTRIC SKIN 12
If any figure without the Electrically Charged special power moves adjacent to Electro, you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher, that figure receives one wound, and you may roll again for Electric Skin. Figures may be initially targeted only as they move adjacent to Electro.

and going...

ENGAGEMENT BURN 12
If any figure without the the Lava Resistance special power moves adjacent to Sunfire, you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher, that figure receives one wound, and you may roll again for Engagement Burn. Figures may be initially targeted only as they move adjacent to Sunfire.

I really like #5 option of flying around throwing balls of plasma at several figures but Engagement Burn get the omnidirectional blast idea across

In the archetype slotting he should definitely play as a blaster and not a fighter.
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