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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:23 AM
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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

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Last thought before voting on this: should Trained to Perfection be put in a bullet list like Iron Fist's Force of One?

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Before attacking with Commander Rogers, you may choose to either:
  • attack any or all figures adjacent to Commander Rogers, rolling each attack separately; or
  • add one automatic skull when attacking an adjacent figure.
My first thought was that we only do bullets when there are 3 or more options, but both Iron Fist and Hawkgirl are bulleted lists with two options. I think you're right on this count. Proposal updated.

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Old January 18th, 2015, 10:59 AM
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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers - Design Phase

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Good catch, V! I'll add that. That also makes a majority of us in favor of the change to PES, so it seems like a good update. We 4 total testers here that show him as balanced (1, 2, 3, 4). quozl likes 260, and I'm good there too.

I Propose we update Commander Rogers with the following:
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NAME = COMMANDER ROGERS
SECRET IDENTITY = STEVE ROGERS

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = AGENT
PERSONALITY = DEDICATED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 260


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At the beginning of your turn, if there is at least one revealed Order Marker on this card, you may rearrange any unrevealed Order Markers on cards in your army. You may move Order Markers from cards of your destroyed figures.

TRAINED TO PERFECTION
Before attacking with Commander Rogers, you may choose to either:
  • attack any or all figures adjacent to Commander Rogers, rolling each attack separately; or
  • add one automatic skull when attacking an adjacent figure.

PHOTONIC ENERGY SHIELD
When defending against an attack, Commander Rogers always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled. When Commander Rogers defends against a normal attack from a figure within 5 clear sight spaces, if you roll any excess shields (not including the automatic shield), the attacking figure receives one unblockable wound.
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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

There's no need for 'unblockable' in the last line of PES, since it is not an attack (it's occurring during the opponent's turn anyway).

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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

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There's no need for 'unblockable' in the last line of PES, since it is not an attack (it's occurring during the opponent's turn anyway).
Hmm, you made me realize an oversight on my part. I offered "unblockable" for consistency with Counter Strike, Arcane Riposte, Evil Eye Defense, Evil Eye Protection, Lumbering Bully, Defensive Premonition 9, Absorb and Return, and other counter-strikey powers which are also occurring during the opponent's turn.

However, I just noticed on those that the normal convention is unblockable hit rather than unblockable wound. So rather than delete "unblockable," would it be more consistent to change "wound" to "hit"?
PHOTONIC ENERGY SHIELD
When defending against an attack, Commander Rogers always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled. When Commander Rogers defends against a normal attack from a figure within 5 clear sight spaces, if you roll any excess shields (not including the automatic shield), the attacking figure receives one unblockable hit.
There is a C3G precedent for "receives one unblockable hit" on APOKOLIPTIAN WEAPONRY (Intergang Agents; Parademon Shock Troopers).

There are two instances of "unblockable wound" in C3G: on Marrow's SPIKE DEFENSE and Phantom Girl's PHASE DRAG. However, I believe those are not quite the correct convention since unblockable wound never occurs in Hasbro or WotC.

I have not done the research to try to figure out how they decided on "receives one wound" vs. "receives one unblockable hit"; I can only say with confidence that the mixed usage on Marrow and Phantom Girl was not used.


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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

I personally prefer "the attacking figure receives one wound" as opposed to using unblockable hit/wound.

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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

I would generally prefer to stick with convention on something like this, but "receives one wound" seems cleaner and simpler, so I can roll with it. Any other thought on the wording?

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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

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Any other thought on the wording?
There is an alternate (yet equivalent) approach that could avoid the inelegant "(not including the automatic shield)" patch:
PHOTONIC ENERGY SHIELD
After Commander Rogers rolls defense dice, choose one of the following:
  • add one automatic shield to whatever is rolled; or
  • if you roll any excess shields when defending against a normal attack from a figure within 5 clear sight spaces, the attacking figure receives one wound.
Not sure if it's better or worse; just offering the option for consideration. This tack basically recognizes the underlying either-or nature of the power's two separate benefits, and approaches it head-on.


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Re: The Book of Commander Rogers

That alters the intent. The intent is that the autoshield is always active.
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