[Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fury in Stone) - Design

[Captain Stupendous]

Originally Posted by flameslayer93

What if she's always considered huge?

That would certainly be one way to do it, although it begs the question of why she's not just Huge instead of Medium. I don't like how that would be a power that exists solely to thematically justify something that is otherwise mechanically identical to just making her Huge instead of Medium.

I also like how this version of the power feels slightly different than just being huge, because she can still benefit from medium synergies on friendly cards.

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous

I realize this doesn't completely solve the timing issues, but I think it would probably greatly reduce the number of edge-cases?

This does not address the timing issues I wrote about previously. It also doesn't solve the memory mechanic. It even includes all the problems that a "start of turn" version would have, since the decision could be make at the start of a turn.

Allowing the decision separately for each power, ironically, solves all these problems, but does make it weird thematically.

Originally Posted by flameslayer93

What if she's always considered huge?

I thought of that. Then just make the size value Huge. Of course, that begs all sorts of thematic questions.

[Captain Stupendous]

So how about:

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
You may treat Nahiri's size as Huge for any special powers on enemy army cards.

That should clear up many of the edge cases regarding timing, as I'm guessing it would be relatively rare for her to be affected by two different enemy abilities that care about size at the same time.

If that still doesn't work, I think we could safely go with:

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
Treat Nahiri's size as Huge for any special powers on enemy army cards.

Always on, but functionally different from just making her Huge instead of Medium since she can still benefit from friendly Medium synergy. I would prefer for her to be able to pick and choose what enemy abilities she's considered to be Huge for, but if that's too difficult to make work I think this might be a viable alternative?

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Captain Stupendous

So how about:

That should clear up many of the edge cases regarding timing, as I'm guessing it would be relatively rare for her to be affected by two different enemy abilities that care about size at the same time.

If that still doesn't work, I think we could safely go with:

Always on, but functionally different from just making her Huge instead of Medium since she can still benefit from friendly Medium synergy. I would prefer for her to be able to pick and choose what enemy abilities she's considered to be Huge for, but if that's too difficult to make work I think this might be a viable alternative?

The second means she's susceptible to enemy powers that affect Huge, like Giant Killer. I don't think there's any problem in allowing the owner to choose which, though like I said, I haven't thought through everything yet.

I also don't think it's a problem that the owner can choose for friendly powers either. It does cause thematic oddities like the theoretical situation I described, but sometimes it's best to remember the phrase "game not simulation."

[Captain Stupendous]

Originally Posted by Scytale

The second means she's susceptible to enemy powers that affect Huge, like Giant Killer. I don't think there's any problem in allowing the owner to choose which, though like I said, I haven't thought through everything yet.

I also don't think it's a problem that the owner can choose for friendly powers either. It does cause thematic oddities like the theoretical situation I described, but sometimes it's best to remember the phrase "game not simulation."

Gotcha. Personally I'm fine with a little bit of thematic oddity, especially if its relatively rare to even come up. Thanks for taking the time to think through it with me, and for bearing with all of my different suggestions

[Pumpkin_King]

I'd rather we didn't just make her size Huge - I'd dislike that so much I'd just prefer to drop it entirely if we can't make it work otherwise.

[NecroBlade]

I don't actually have a problem with the below, outside of feeling weird because it's never been done:

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
You may treat Nahiri's size as Huge for any special powers.

Playing Nahiri going to be like:

[Captain Stupendous]

Originally Posted by Pumpkin_King

I'd rather we didn't just make her size Huge - I'd dislike that so much I'd just prefer to drop it entirely if we can't make it work otherwise.

I agree. However, I'm hopeful that this will prove to be workable.

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
You may treat Nahiri's size as Huge for any special powers.

[Pumpkin_King]

Yep, I think that'll work if it's feasible for editing. I don't mind her being able to "switch" it on and off like in the example Scy described.

[Captain Stupendous]

Okay, it's been a minute since we ironed out the wording for Aspect of the Dragon, so with that update I think we're looking at the following design:

Katryn Vade
Icarian
Unique Hero
Champion
Devoted
Medium 5

LIFE 5
MOVE 5 / BASIC
RANGE 1 / BASIC
ATTACK 5 / BASIC
DEFENSE 3 / BASIC

140 POINTS

DRAGONHEART BLADE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by Dragonheart Blade Special Attack. Squad figures roll 1 less defense die against Dragonheart Blade Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. Katryn Vade cannot be affected by her own Dragonheart Blade Special Attack.

OATHSWORN GUARDIAN
After attacking with Katryn Vade, if she is adjacent to a friendly Unique Hero, she may attack one additional time with her normal attack.

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
You may treat Nahiri's size as Huge for any special powers.

How are we all feeling about this draft? Are there any other changes that we should consider before moving on to the Public Feedback phase? Personally I'm happy with where this design has ended up; seems like she'll be a very fun glass cannon, and I really like how Aspect of the Dragon offers a bit of counterplay within the Master Set to Ozuul and Dienekes.

[Pumpkin_King]

I think this'll work out. Good draft.

[flameslayer93]

to moving to Public Review.