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Old November 6th, 2018, 05:26 PM
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Re: Public Design Workshop

A Creature Swamp Thing would be cool, I think that character has a lot of potential. I think Alexan was right, 235 might be a bit low for the height of his power.
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Old November 6th, 2018, 05:32 PM
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A Creature Swamp Thing would be cool, I think that character has a lot of potential. I think Alexan was right, 235 might be a bit low for the height of his power.
Definitely. I designed him with his initial run in mind. His power levels have gone way beyond that run.

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Old November 6th, 2018, 05:52 PM
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Re: Public Design Workshop

Agreed on Swamp Thing. I'd love to see a Swamp Thing II. He's definitely a character I have interest in designing if nobody else wants to take the lead.

Perhaps a list of who is interested in designing what character(s) would be helpful. So far:

Black Orchid -
Constantine -
Deadman - Scapemage
Detective Chimp - Alexan
Madame Xanadu -
Nightmare Nurse -
Shade - MrNobody
Swamp Thing II -

I'd be on board to echo Yoda in that any character I design as a part of the faction, I'm fine designing them out here so we can build them together as a Public driven faction.
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Old November 6th, 2018, 06:13 PM
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Re: Public Design Workshop

Welcome back, laughing_matter! Good to see you around.
Sadly, though, I think the others have a point here - you have had a noticeable tendency towards unreliability in the past, and, yes, you have often signed up for tests and not completed them, which is exceptionally bad form.
However, I'd like to make a counter proposal. I'd be happy to give her the benefit of the doubt here - she does have some amazing ideas, and if she's willing to be more reliable and actually get some tests in, I'd love to see her designs start coming to fruition, beyond just this guy. If we strip this design away from her now, I'm concerned she may become disenfranchised and be even less likely to become productive in future.
However, I, too, would not be happy to see a design like this languish in infinite limbo, being held hostage by someone who won't put the work in. Therefore, here would be my proposal - give her a month to get the points needed, possibly to the end of the year if we're feeling generous. That's only two test sheets assuming she doesn't squander any by signing up and not sending anything in - eminently doable. If she has the points by then, I say let her do it - if not, I reckon that whoever wishes to can step up. Hopefully this might be the kick up the arse she needs to be somewhat more reliable - a specific goal and a specific thing to avoid.


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Old November 7th, 2018, 09:19 PM
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Re: Public Design Workshop

Has L_M even expressed any interest in designing/participating with the group beyond the drop in "howdy do" post?

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Old November 8th, 2018, 01:45 PM
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Has L_M even expressed any interest in designing/participating with the group beyond the drop in "howdy do" post?
I've been intentionally keeping myself out of this discussion. I figured I'd see what the community thinks, and it seems there's a bit of a split here. The old guard has lost faith in me, quite fairly to be honest. I have a bad track record. The new generation seems to believe in me, or at least be against the idea of a design being taken away. Likely because most of them haven't experienced someone ghost on their own public design.

I understand both sides, and I'd like to propose a compromise. If I can't get this going by January, then @Lazy Orang has my full permission to take my Constantine design and run with it. She's got more than enough points, she's a sidekick, and above all, I trust her ability to see it through to completion and preserve the core idea of my design. I've seen her come a long way, and I'm very impressed with her progress. I think she can do John Constantine Justice

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Has L_M even expressed any interest in designing/participating with the group beyond the drop in "howdy do" post?
I've been intentionally keeping myself out of this discussion. I figured I'd see what the community thinks, and it seems there's a bit of a split here. The old guard has lost faith in me, quite fairly to be honest. I have a bad track record. The new generation seems to believe in me, or at least be against the idea of a design being taken away. Likely because most of them haven't experienced someone ghost on their own public design.

I understand both sides, and I'd like to propose a compromise. If I can't get this going by January, then @Lazy Orang has my full permission to take my Constantine design and run with it. She's got more than enough points, she's a sidekick, and above all, I trust her ability to see it through to completion and preserve the core idea of my design. I've seen her come a long way, and I'm very impressed with her progress. I think she can do John Constantine Justice

Sound good to everyone?
My first thought is that I just don’t think it’s fair to specifically make it LO. I get wanting someone you trust to take over, but I think it’s unfair on her and everybody else. There are others like me and YK who are invested in seeing John happen pretty soon, and that could mean that she has to drop stuff to LD a design I don’t even know if she’s interested in. And if she doesn’t want to do it, and you don’t do it, what happens then? Nobody gets to run it? (Not me Nobody, the other one.)

It took me less than 2 months from joining to get the 15 points I needed to start my first design, you can surely get the rest of the points you need in that time. If not, then I do have to agree with the ‘old guard’ that you don’t have much of an exclusive hold on what happens to the character anymore.
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Re: Public Design Workshop

I have zero familiarity with this character and loads of other plans for characters I do know - I'm not willing to use up my design slot (I can only run one at a time) designing someone like this as a favour when I could be getting on with other things, nor do I think it a good idea if I were willing to as, I reiterate, I don't bleeding well know him. If you want someone else to do him, Mr.Nobody and Yodaking are far better candidates as they have the interest, enthusiasm and familiarity to do the job. If you want to do it yourself, you could easily crank out two more tests this year if you put your mind to it - you could easily crank out two more for December!


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Re: Public Design Workshop

That's fair. If I ghost again then it probably should just go to whoever wants it most. I wouldn't be around to argue anyway if that were to happen.

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Old November 8th, 2018, 02:07 PM
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If you want to do it yourself, you could easily crank out two more tests this year if you put your mind to it - you could easily crank out two more for December!
I plan on it.

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Re: Public Design Workshop

I'm a bit concerned that the idea for compromise is to wait 2 months to complete something that could easily be done in 2 weeks. If you're busy enough that you need 2 months to complete 2 tests, why not just let(I use this term loosely as nobody has ownership over any of these designs) someone who isn't that busy run the design sooner rather than later?

I should reiterate, it's not just a matter of starting the design, sticking with and seeing the design through to the end is a factor here, and an expectation. If there is any doubt in one's ability to do that, keeping one's track record and history in mind, why even go through all this rigmarole for what could easily be LD'd by someone who's here consistently and has the time and track record to see it through? You're welcome to stop in as much as you like and give thoughts and feedback like everyone else, but I don't understand why we're complicating this.
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Re: Public Design Workshop

I agree with basically everything MrNobody said just now.
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