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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not V-PPT)

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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not PPT)

Other than not totally loving using clone as we haven't put that on DC stuff yet, I really dig this. Him being the actual more clone version of Kal does make it harder to justify using something else there.
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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not PPT)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Bizarro II

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: 800 pts – Baron Zemo 170, Bizarro, Punisher 210, Stilt-Man 150 VS 800 pts - Wrecking Crew
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Army Test
Map: .
Units: 1000 pts – Hush, Bizarro 270, Crossbones, Doc Ock 215, Electro 135 VS 1000 pts – JLA Trinity
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: 270 seems right. Or pretty close, if he was dropped to 260 I wouldn't complain. Not a ton of synergy right now. Some stuff you could do with Clone synergy I guess.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Bizarro is kind of a beat stick. He does a good job of getting around normal attacks with Abnormal Attacks. I played the second game 3 more times and the results were pretty much the same. Bizarro's 5 defense just can't hang with Superman when he is rolling 8 dice and is hot, which he was in all 4 games. I'll admit that the team in game two wasn't the strongest but I was really looking for a Bizarro vs Superman situation. Bizarro is a bizarre character and I think this design hits the the mark.
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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not PPT)

Thanks for the tests!


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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not PPT)

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Bizarro (II)

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Units: Bizarro (270), Octus, Holiday Party Spider-Man, Spider-Ma'am, AIM Agents x3 and 6 RC Cars (1000) VS X-Men
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Units: Bizarro (270), Octus, Holiday Party Spider-Man, Spider-Ma'am, SHIELD Agents x2 and 2 Fire Ant Swarms (1000) VS Fantastic Four
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He's a simple, yet weird design, and he feels slightly overcosted for the things you are going to have to do to the rest of your army to make him shine. I'd probably drop the cost 10-20 points but otherwise he's great.
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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not PPT)

Thanks for the tests!

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I'm going to propose going to final editing at 260 points.


Oh, one thing I'm thinking about doing here if there are no objections is dropping the no extra turns bit from Am Number 1:

BIZARRO AM NUMBER 1!
If you lose initiative, you may immediately reveal your Order Marker "3" on Bizarro's card to take a turn with Bizarro. Subtract 1 from his Attack value for that turn. You may not take any additional turns with other figures you control.

The power is basically just switching who wins initiative, not actually granting any extra turns or anything so there isn't really a way to break it (that wouldn't just... break taking turns in general). The "immediately" bit already stops stacking with AoA Mags.

So I think its fine that if you can find a way to work with that turn (of which there are only like 4 ways right now that are all pretty bad) you can have that option if you want.

Also I might add a FAQ that Bizarre Logic does switch the minus one attack from Am Number 1 to a plus 1 attack, just to be extra clear.


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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not V-FE)

I dig that change. Yea
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Re: The Book of Bizarro (II) (Not V-FE)

Looking at the tests, 260 sounds about right. Yea

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