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Old May 17th, 2021, 06:41 PM
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Re: OEAO's Power Rankings

I only got two hours of sleep last night, so I'm not much in the mood to argue. However, the short explanation is this:

(1) Dividers are good
(2) There are results to back up (1)
(3) Dividers probably aren't the worst A- (see Fire Elemental, Laglor)
(4) Dividers don't really have any bad matchups in B+ and under
(5) Following (4), every team should bring Dividers if they're legal, because they're fine/good into everything (every other army has some better and worse matchups)

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Huge update!!!

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Anything in particular? Notable changes we should be aware of?
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Laglor is now in his rightful spot.
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Re: OEAO's Power Rankings

I feel like Fen Hydra should be an A. It was in dok’s old GC winning army back in the cheese era.

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(I've also played many matches with great, fun people who were using Q9. So using Q9 doesn't make you a tool. But being a tool sure seems to make you use Q9.)
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I feel like Fen Hydra should be an A. It was in dok’s old GC winning army back in the cheese era.
I'm lower on Hydra than some other people; A- feels right for me.

I think Hydra just has some bad matchups where it struggles to ever want OMs (WtF squads, bonding Dragons, etc.). And to me having bad matchups into non-A+ figures defines the gap between A- & A better than anything else.

In my mind, Hydra is a great way to achieve matchup smoothing for certain armies. But those type of figures tend to fall into the A- range more than the A range.
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Re: OEAO's Power Rankings

Hydra is extremely inconsistent so people can have wildly varying opinions of him as a result. I think Cleon has him as a the fifth best figure in the game on his rankings. Hydra completely bailed me out for a win in my R3 Sideboards ScapeCon game vs. @JohnnyFrisbee by refusing to ever not block attacks from Knights of Weston, after Johnny caught my Krav early and Hydra was my only choice left. But he Hydra can easily vary the other way and lose a head on his first attack. Personally I think he's an a A, not A-. But I think Orc is really leaning into the personal opinion rankings here with Axegrinders at A.
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I view Hydra the same way I view Airborne: great when it's great, terrible when it's terrible. IMO, it's just too inconsistent (from both a matchups and variance perspective) to be an A.

Axegrinders are the opposite- they are always good. You sacrifice some better matchups into specific things to get smoother matchups overall than, say, Heavies (the Orcs' reliance on Grimnak is sometimes great, and sometimes terrible).

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Hydra is extremely inconsistent so people can have wildly varying opinions of him as a result. I think Cleon has him as a the fifth best figure in the game on his rankings. Hydra completely bailed me out for a win in my R3 Sideboards ScapeCon game vs. @JohnnyFrisbee by refusing to ever not block attacks from Knights of Weston, after Johnny caught my Krav early and Hydra was my only choice left. But he Hydra can easily vary the other way and lose a head on his first attack. Personally I think he's an a A, not A-. But I think Orc is really leaning into the personal opinion rankings here with Axegrinders at A.
At this point I’m gonna drop it down a tier (A+ to A) whenever the next time I update it, I think the past year and a half playing/playing against it has solidified that for me. I am higher on it than a lot of people but its inconsistency pulls it away from the top tier. My philosophy was that it can kill so much and on the flip side you don’t lose that many points if it’s a dud....but you still likely lose activations and board control if it’s a dud. Granted I haven’t played it with 16 rats flooding the board in a while but I think it belongs in A or right below the highest tier.

Axegrinders I view as literally the border between A- and A so I’m kinda cool with either. If there isn’t a lot of 4th and 10th in the field they really shine.

Edit: Also removing Kelda from the glyph pool definitely doesn’t help the Hydra’s case.
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