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CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Vagaric
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Last edited by CrzyRaccoon; October 7th, 2014 at 02:00 PM. Reason: Update |
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
What sort of creature is Tanuki? 7 Move with a Leap of 4+ is an incredible threat range but not unreasonable. 145 may be OK. Pretty close stat wise to Cyprien. My guess would be 150-160.
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
A Tanuki is a Japanese raccoon dog, as for points, I'll take a look on Cyprien.
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Welcome to the site. I see that you had been getting advise on a different thread, but I'll keep my discussion to here.
Vagaric One thing I like to do when examining units is to try to draw parallels to existing units to help me wrap my head around it. Vagaric reminds me most of Sonlen from his stats and relative function, with the elvish Archmage boasting 1 more life and range to his attack to the tamer's extra move. In the offense department, Sonlen carries a powerful, if subreliant, auto-wounding ability that he can use in addition to attacking while Vagaric has his Bio Birds Special Attack. While he can execute this attack 5 times in a turn, it only has an attack of 1. In a best case scenario, it will kill an average of 2.5 Venoc Vipers per round. This number drops as defense climbs, becoming more profitable to attack even 1 life targets with defense 4 or more with his normal attack instead (with multi-life it is more profitable to do a normal attack as long as they have any defense). Only against 2 defense and below squads does Vagaric's special attack become more profitable than Sonlen's normal and Dragon Swoop. Vagaric's special is made slightly better against special powers like that of the Krav Maga, but then you would need to keep in mind that he is more of a niche unit. Defensively, Vagaric may have the archmage beat. While Sonlen does have the extra life, Feed off the Dead can potentially generate an obscene amount of life regeration for the tamer. He doesn't even need to do the killing himself to get the reward. However, as we saw from his attacks, he won't be gaining much life on his own and may simply be ignored by your opponent until they can mass enough attacks to take him out all at once. All said, Vagaric should probably be of a higher point total than Sonlen based on Feed off the Dead alone, but I wouldn't say he should be that much more. 250 points throws him beyond the realm of many titanic and game warping heroes while he simply can't do all that much on his own. Ember, Giant Tanuki This is a powerful hero. I'd say the hero Eltahale actually makes a decent point of beginning comparison, with both heroes boasting similar stats and toting some extra maneuverability. When Ember is locked down, he won't do as much damage but can pack quite a wallop when getting in. He also has a far more massive threat range and even more survivability with his Stealth Dodge power on his 4 defense. I'd say Eltahale is a tad more useful against squads, but this Tanuki can nevertheless prove a viscious assassin with that threat range. I believe that he is costed a little low, but he may not be too far off when we consider Cyprien filling a similar function. Very interesting units overall. Thank you for sharing them. |
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As for the tanuki, maybe 160? |
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Returning Vagaric's special attack back to 2 will go a long way in making him more threatening, but even 5 attacks of 2 is a lot to pay 250 for when you can get Major Q9 giving you 4 2's and a 1 (among other more powerful things) for significantly cheaper. I suspect the nature of his 2nd power will make Vagaric a little difficult to set a point value for. In some matches, Vagaric will be unstoppable, recouping wounds faster than the opponent can place them on him. In others, he'll probably get swept away before he can muster anything. Partly it is the nature of the game to have moments like this, but the potential to gain so much life off of Feed off the Dead exacerbates things. It's fine to have swingy units, by the way. The game has plenty of them already. I am just providing my assessment to you to try and help out and let you do with as you will.
160 sounds like a reasonable stab for the tanuki. Stealth Dodge is a power that certainly helps him a lot. In general, "theoryscaping" only gets you so far when setting the point value for units. You eventually need to playtest them and see how they do. |
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Posted Kolby Richards.
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Kargon
I think 3 is a bit of a stretch for medium (typically small for that height), but the physical stats on this crab seem pretty absurd. Attack and defense of 7 are both extremely high and makes this a monster to face on the battlefield. What is its life? That factors in significantly for how it functions. If it had 1 life, you are dealing with the "walker roll" and can quickly lose a significant portion of your army. In general, with attack and defense like that, I'd still expect to see low life for any reasonable point total. Kolby Richards If I'm reading his power Perfect Accuracy power correctly, he deals the wound to the target before they even roll defense, dealing additional wounds accordingly. While that level of auto-wounding is undeniably powerful (especially against the likes of Deathwalkers) it is really the bulk of his strength. 160 might be perhaps a bit low because of it, but I'd say you might be in the right ballpark. He'll certainly have a much harder time when the opponent closes with him in melee and, in the end of the day, he is still just a single attacking hero. Cool unit overall. |
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As for kolby, yes he wounds before defend roll is made |
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Change Kargon points from 155 to 170, new customs are coming soon.
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Re: CrzyRaccoon's Customs
Just put out a raccoon for all of you .
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