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Old December 12th, 2020, 06:32 PM
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

I don't worry about being counter-drafty at 500 points.

For the record, Void being an advance guard for Dormammu sounded fun to me!

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Old December 13th, 2020, 12:40 AM
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Void

Version tested:
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Sentry and Void (1000) VS JLA Trinity (1000)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Void (500), Talon, Terminator (T-800), Howard the Duck (900) VS Arthrian Invaders (x3), Annihilus (360)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He feels fine at 500, Counterbalance is a nice help to Sentry, but he just died in game one before he got enough Instability markers. Am slighly worried that Sentry is not his best pairing, is there an easy thing we can do to make that more encouraged?
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Old December 13th, 2020, 01:16 AM
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

Thanks Tickle!

Okay, so that's 2 testers with generally the same feedback, that he's too good with other pairings than Sentry. Kinda hard to nullify, since we're running dangerously low on text space.
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You may draft one other Robert Reynolds figure that has the Unstable personality. If you do, Void starts the game on that Robert Reynolds's card. You may only control one Robert Reynolds at a time.* When placing your other Robert Reynolds on, or removing him from, the battlefield, switch him with Void. Void will not take leaving engagement attacks when moved this way. Immediately after revealing an Order Marker on your other Robert Reynolds's Army Card, if that figure is not on the battlefield, you may immediately take a turn with Void. If Void is destroyed, destroy your other Robert Reynolds.

SEEPING THROUGH THE CRACKS
When Void is removed from the battlefield and switched with another Robert Reynolds, immediately roll the 20-sided die X times, subtracting 4 from the roll if you only control Robert Reynolds figures. For each roll of 3*** or lower, place a purple Instability Marker on that Robert Reynolds's card. X is the current round number.

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After attacking with Void, he may attack an additional time, targeting a different figure. At the end of each player's turn, if Void is on the battlefield, they may choose a figure that is not Robert Reynolds**** and roll an unblockable attack die against that figure. Wounds inflicted by Void cannot be ignored by any special power.*****

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*This is a change to coincide with some talk about how switching characters like this might work with CO stuff.
**This just seems to have disappeared somewhere along the way.
***This just brings the "failure" number down to 7 if you only have S/V, so it matches Sentry.
****So they can target your Dormammus and Nick Furys, just not Sentry or Void.
*****Unstoppable Resilience workaround, also kinda cool thematically.

If that's too wordy, Seeping would probably be the first thing to simplify.

Other than that, feeling pretty happy with these results? Do our testers feel more is needed, or are we ready to move on? (He's run 4-2 in the current iteration, but 2 of those wins would now look very different with the above update.)
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

I like the change that wounds can not be avoided from Infi-Tends. Rest seems to make sense to me as well.
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

I haven't tested them, so grain of salt, but if I were looking into building an army around Void, the #1 thing that would make me not want to pair him with Sentry is this line:

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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

Ah yea that didn’t fully register with me. I don’t like that line.
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

It's one of those things where I hear y'all, but that's also pretty much how the character works? The only time Void is defeated is when Thor kills Bob and tosses him into the sun during Siege. If Void is killed, Sentry shouldn't just be popping back up like nothing happened next round.

Could just make it slightly less punitive;
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If Void is destroyed, inflict 4 wounds on your other Robert Reynolds.
So in most cases it'll be a destroy, but maybe you'll be left with a highly-weakened Sentry who can still do a little damage. That kinda fits how it worked in Siege too, where after taking a massive beating he returned to his weakened Bob form, allowing Thor to finally take him out.

Or alternatively, we could really hammer that theme in (probably cutting/combining Seeping to compensate);
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If Void is destroyed, subtract 4 from your other Robert Reynolds's Attack and Defense numbers.
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

I prefer the kill me power. Especially over Seeping. Just making the card more streamlined.
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

Cool, might go with this then. Keeps the mechanical reason for having Seeping in the first place (to give him a reason to like having allies around) but streamlines just a hair more.
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You may draft one other Robert Reynolds figure that has the Unstable personality. If you do, Void starts the game on that Robert Reynolds's card. When placing your other Robert Reynolds on, or removing him from, the battlefield, switch him with Void. Void will not take leaving engagement attacks when moved this way. Immediately after revealing an Order Marker on your other Robert Reynolds's Army Card, if that figure is not on the battlefield, you may immediately take a turn with Void.

"KILL ME..." (Or could call it All-Consuming Void or some other quote)
When Void is removed from the battlefield and switched with another Robert Reynolds, if you only control Robert Reynolds figures, place an Instability Marker on the other Robert Reynolds's card. If Void is destroyed, subtract 4 from your other Robert Reynolds's Attack and Defense numbers.


INFINI-TENDRILS
After attacking with Void, he may attack an additional time, targeting a different figure. At the end of each player's turn, if Void is on the battlefield, they may choose a figure that is not Robert Reynolds and roll an unblockable attack die against that figure. Wounds inflicted by Void cannot be ignored by any special power.
I'll probably want to run at least one more test to see how he plays with those changes after I finish TARDIS initials. If anyone wants to beat me to more. tests before then, feel free, but I'm probably going to pull him from the playtesting thread for the moment. Thanks gang!
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

Definitely like this better.
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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

I would just require you to draft Sentry if you want to draft Void, Rechets style.

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Re: The Book of Void (Sanctum Playtesting)

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I would just require you to draft Sentry if you want to draft Void, Rechets style.
Is that thematic, or are there times where it makes sense for just Void to be there without the heroic counterpart?


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