Public Design Workshop

[Ronin]

Tweaked Lethal Protector to work for Common Humans, and reduced it to an unblockable attack die. Waffled a bit between one and two dice, but settled on playing it safe at one for now.

[Tornado]

Cool design Ronin. You could get some interesting builds with that.
I think that Lethal Protector could be stronger due to the restrictions. Hard to say without playtesting. Mobbing someone with Civilians and letting Anti-Venom do his thing could be a fairly strong strategy and not require very many, if any, OMs once it is set up.

I just noticed that Lethal Protector affects your own figures, making Common Humans a solid counter-draft to Anti-Venom. Nice.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by laughing matter

Common Humans would probably be best. I can't see zombies or aliens as "the innocent".

I could imagine plenty of aliens as being 'the innocent' - Aliens on the other hand...

I'm wondering if Common Humans who aren't Criminals might be a good idea - if this guy thinks of himself as a protector of the innocent, he's unlikely to avenge Street Thugs. Weird things like Hand Ninja and Hydra Agents are still in, but I guess Criminals would probably be more iconic guys for him to not help, since he's a Spidey character. That said, I know nothing myself about this particular incarnation of Brock, so this is just conjecture.

Originally Posted by Tornado

Cool design Ronin. You could get some interesting builds with that.
I think that Lethal Protector could be stronger due to the restrictions. Hard to say without playtesting. Mobbing someone with Civilians and letting Anti-Venom do his thing could be a fairly strong strategy and not require very many, if any, OMs once it is set up.

Oooh, nasty.

I just noticed that Lethal Protector affects your own figures, making Common Humans a solid counter-draft to Anti-Venom. Nice.

Not really....

Originally Posted by Ronin

LETHAL PROTECTOR
When a figure within 3 clear sight spaces of Anti-Venom destroys a Common Human that you control, you must immediately roll an unblockable attack die against that figure.

It will make you much more wary of making an AoE attack with your own common human figures caught in it, though - I can't really fault Brock for having a problem with collateral damage.

Just a thought, though - should you control be changed to friendly here? It seems like a good power for that change.

All in all, I like it - really cool figure. Always good to see more Spidey stuff, even if it's Spidey stuff I know nothing about.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Cool design Ronin. You could get some interesting builds with that.
I think that Lethal Protector could be stronger due to the restrictions. Hard to say without playtesting. Mobbing someone with Civilians and letting Anti-Venom do his thing could be a fairly strong strategy and not require very many, if any, OMs once it is set up.

I just noticed that Lethal Protector affects your own figures, making Common Humans a solid counter-draft to Anti-Venom. Nice.

Thanks! Agreed on the playtesting point; I had a hard time figuring out exactly how strong it should be.

Like LO said, Anti-Venom doesn't protect opponents' figures. But with the ability being a 'must' rather than a 'may', guys like Puppet Master and Mentallo can mess with Eddie fairly easily. Also, anyone who would have reason to attack their own squaddies (not a common thing, but it does happen) is probably a bad choice for an Anti-Venom team-up.

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I'm wondering if Common Humans who aren't Criminals might be a good idea - if this guy thinks of himself as a protector of the innocent, he's unlikely to avenge Street Thugs. Weird things like Hand Ninja and Hydra Agents are still in, but I guess Criminals would probably be more iconic guys for him to not help, since he's a Spidey character. That said, I know nothing myself about this particular incarnation of Brock, so this is just conjecture.

Not protecting Criminals would make sense, but it really only applies to three or four different units, and I can't imagine Anti-Venom being the top pick in anyone's Criminal army. That said, the power isn't too text-heavy, so I might throw it in. Good call on the friendly bit, too.

[laughing matter]

It's like shakespeare, but with lots more punching.

Nextwave!

Spoiler Alert!

Elsa Bloodstone

SPECIES = Human
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = HUNTER
PERSONALITY = DETERMINED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 3
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = ???

SILVER WEAPONS
When Elsa Bloodstone attacks, she may attack one additional time. Undead and Lycanthrope figures roll 2 fewer defense dice against Elsa Bloodstone's normal attack.

MACHINE GUN SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 3.
If Elsa Bloodstone's Machine Gun Special Attack inflicts a wound, she may attack again with her Machine Gun Special Attack. Elsa Blodstone may continue attacking with her Machine Gun Special Attack until she does not inflict a wound. She may not attack the same figure more than once.

GIANT KILLER
When Elsa Bloodstone attacks huge figures, add 2 atttack dice.

Super Strength

Spoiler Alert!

Aaron Stack

SPECIES = ANDROID
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = ADVENTURER
PERSONALITY = ARROGANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = ???

TELESCOPIC LIMBS 3
Aaron Stack may add 2 to his range when attacking a figure whose base is no more than 6 levels higher than his height or 6 levels lower than his base. When Aaron Stack attacks, he may attack two additional times.

VERY USEFUL DEVICES SPECIAL ATTACK
Range: 1 Attack:5
If Aaron Stack attacks an adjacent figure with this special attack and at least one skull is rolled, he may attack an adjacent figure again. He may continue attacking adjacent figures, rolling 1 fewer attack die for each subsequent attack, until you fail to roll a skull.

CYBERNETIC REPAIR X
At the end of the round, if you reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card, remove one Wound Marker from each Army Card you control with the Cybernetic Repair X special power.

Super Strength

Spoiler Alert!

Tabitha Smith

SPECIES = MUTANT
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = THIEF
PERSONALITY = SELF ABSORBED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = ???

CAT BURGLAR
Tabitha Smith can move through all figures and never takes leaving engagement attacks. After moving and before attacking, if there is not a glyph on this card, you may choose a figure that Tabitha Smith moved through this turn with at least one Equipment Glyph on its card and place a glyph from that card on this card.

TIME BOMB SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 3.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by Time Bomb Special Attack. Roll 3 attack dice for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. Common figures roll 1 fewer defense dice against Time Bomb Special Attack. Tabitha Smith cannot be affected by her own Time Bomb Special Attack.

MENTAL SHIELD
An opponent can never take temporary or permanent control of Tabitha Smith.

Super Strength
Flying

Spoiler Alert!

Monica Rambeau

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = LEADER
PERSONALITY = DISCIPLINED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 8
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = ???

INTANGIBILITY
Monica Rambeau can move through all figures and obstacles such as ruins, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Monica Rambeau cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight.

MICROWAVE BEAM SPECIAL ATTACK
Range Special. Attack 2 + Special.
Choose 4 spaces in a straight line from Monica Rambeau. All figures on those spaces are affected by this special attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures. For each skull rolled, roll one additional attack die. Continue rolling additional attack dice for each additional skull rolled until no skulls are rolled. Affected figures roll defense dice separately.

SENSORY ASSAULT
If Monica Rambeau has clear sight on a non-adjacent figure’s Target Point, Monica Rambeau rolls 1 additional attack die when attacking that figure with a normal attack.

NEXTWAVE SQUAD
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Monica Rambeau, you may roll the 20 sided die.
If you roll a
-1-7 you may take a turn with one figure you controll
-8-15 you may move up to 2 figures you control
-16 or higher you may attack with up to 2 figures you control

Super Strength
Flying

Spoiler Alert!

The Captain

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = ??? (couldn't think of anything good)

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE =7

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = ???

KICK! SPECIAL ATTACK
Range: 1 Attack: 6
If The Captain attacks an adjacent figure with this special attack and at least one skull is rolled, place the chosen figure on an empty space exactly X spaces away from its original placement, where X equals the number of skulls rolled. Figures moved by Kick! Special Attack never take any leaving engagement attacks. A non-flying figure moved lower can receive any falling damage that may apply.

IMPENETRABLE SKIN
When The Captain defends against a normal or special attack, if at least one shield is rolled, the most wounds The Captain can take from this attack is one.

Super Strength
Flying

[Lazy Orang]

Okay, I don't know any of these guys, but I'll try to give my view based on mechanics.

Elsa Bloodstone: I presume she's not ust a normal human, right? Those stats are seriously beefy. (5 attack at range? Ouch! If it weren't for the range, she'd just feel top range human, but with it - oww!) She's certainly powerful and high points, just on that and flying. Other than the stats, you've recycled two specific counter powers and one SA that most of the time isn't that potent or interesting and is used a lot. Certainly solid and probably thematic, but not that imaginative or that interesting to play against anyone who's not undead, a lycanthrope or huge. I doubt I'd use her except as a counter draft, even though she'd be useful elsewhere as, outside those situations, she's just a bit boring, and for someone that price I'd be a bit disapointed to use someone dull. As a counterdraft, though, she looks like she could be devastating and lots of fun!

Aaron Stack: I basically really like this guy. He looks lots of fun. You could have some trouble convincing people to go with an Android with CR, but I like it. One thing I don't like is what he's got with Telescopic Tentacles 4. That, 4 attack and flying could get seriously powerful. Also, I just don't like the idea of reusing TT4 - It may just be because I love Doc Ock, but I feel that's treading on what makes him unique. Personally, I'd like it if you dropped it to TT3 - would that be thematic?

Tabitha Smith: Pretty potent mutant, pretty basic, looks like fun, not much to say. I'm not sure I like that commons subtract 3 from their defence against her SA, though - it feels like she's bullying an already rarely used section of superscape a bit too much. It'd be better at subtract 2, IMO.

Monica Rambeau: Looking good - until we hit Nextwave Squad. Far too potent for an open-ended leader power. You'll need to tone it down, change the mechanic, or find a way to tie Nextwave together and make it work for just them. Some people may complain about 4 powers, but again, I like it. Just please tone down that power.

The Captain: Wow! Beefy stats! Kick! looks silly and lots of fun, so I love it! Other than that, with his really high stats plus Impenetrable Skin and Flight, it really wouldn't surprise me to see this guy at 350+ - he might not end up that high, but it really wouldn't surprise me. He's certainly somewhere in the 300s right now. I don't know him, so that might be thematic, but I thought I'd point it out - if you don't want him that high, he'll probably need toning down.

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In general, your new stuff could probably use some tweaks in places, but is looking really good.

[laughing matter]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Okay, I don't know any of these guys, but I'll try to give my view based on mechanics.

Elsa Bloodstone: I presume she's not ust a normal human, right? Those stats are seriously beefy. (5 attack at range? Ouch! If it weren't for the range, she'd just feel top range human, but with it - oww!) She's certainly powerful and high points, just on that and flying. Other than the stats, you've recycled two specific counter powers and one SA that most of the time isn't that potent or interesting and is used a lot. Certainly solid and probably thematic, but not that imaginative or that interesting to play against anyone who's not undead, a lycanthrope or huge. I doubt I'd use her except as a counter draft, even though she'd be useful elsewhere as, outside those situations, she's just a bit boring, and for someone that price I'd be a bit disapointed to use someone dull. As a counterdraft, though, she looks like she could be devastating and lots of fun!

She's a magically enhanced human, about a vampire level strength, she also carries around a ton of guns so, yeah the range and attack represent the fact that she carries other guns around( of ridiculous caliber) without trying to make her a monster hunting punisher knockoff. also all of the nextwave squad wear flight harnesses, so while she can fly it could definitely be removed on her, and Aaron aswell

Aaron Stack: I basically really like this guy. He looks lots of fun. You could have some trouble convincing people to go with an Android with CR, but I like it. One thing I don't like is what he's got with Telescopic Tentacles 4. That, 4 attack and flying could get seriously powerful. Also, I just don't like the idea of reusing TT4 - It may just be because I love Doc Ock, but I feel that's treading on what makes him unique. Personally, I'd like it if you dropped it to TT3 - would that be thematic?

If you look at the wording I used, I changed it so that he can only attack 2 additional times, and can add 2 to his range. I did however forget to change the name so.....Whoops!

Tabitha Smith: Pretty potent mutant, pretty basic, looks like fun, not much to say. I'm not sure I like that commons subtract 3 from their defence against her SA, though - it feels like she's bullying an already rarely used section of superscape a bit too much. It'd be better at subtract 2, IMO.

That's the point seriously though, these guys constantly brutalize creatures that would definitely be commons in scape (human resources broccoli men, koala bears of death, homicide crabs, the mindless ones....etc) infact almost all of them could be capable of brutalizing commons`except The Captain.......

Monica Rambeau: Looking good - until we hit Nextwave Squad. Far too potent for an open-ended leader power. You'll need to tone it down, change the mechanic, or find a way to tie Nextwave together and make it work for just them. Some people may complain about 4 powers, but again, I like it. Just please tone down that power.

I had to leave it open ended like that because all of these guys have so many different species, classes, and personalities that going any of those routes wouldn't work. moving or attacking with 3 of these guys however might be too much, even though it's thematically accurate, and there's precedent in groups like the warriors three, or the wrecking crew.

The Captain: Wow! Beefy stats! Kick! looks silly and lots of fun, so I love it! Other than that, with his really high stats plus Impenetrable Skin and Flight, it really wouldn't surprise me to see this guy at 350+ - he might not end up that high, but it really wouldn't surprise me. He's certainly somewhere in the 300s right now. I don't know him, so that might be thematic, but I thought I'd point it out - if you don't want him that high, he'll probably need toning down.

Nope, that's right!



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In general, your new stuff could probably use some tweaks in places, but is looking really good. [/QUOTE]

[Heroscaper Guy]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Okay, I don't know any of these guys, but I'll try to give my view based on mechanics.

Elsa Bloodstone: I presume she's not ust a normal human, right? Those stats are seriously beefy. (5 attack at range? Ouch! If it weren't for the range, she'd just feel top range human, but with it - oww!) She's certainly powerful and high points, just on that and flying. Other than the stats, you've recycled two specific counter powers and one SA that most of the time isn't that potent or interesting and is used a lot. Certainly solid and probably thematic, but not that imaginative or that interesting to play against anyone who's not undead, a lycanthrope or huge. I doubt I'd use her except as a counter draft, even though she'd be useful elsewhere as, outside those situations, she's just a bit boring, and for someone that price I'd be a bit disapointed to use someone dull. As a counterdraft, though, she looks like she could be devastating and lots of fun!

Aaron Stack: I basically really like this guy. He looks lots of fun. You could have some trouble convincing people to go with an Android with CR, but I like it. One thing I don't like is what he's got with Telescopic Tentacles 4. That, 4 attack and flying could get seriously powerful. Also, I just don't like the idea of reusing TT4 - It may just be because I love Doc Ock, but I feel that's treading on what makes him unique. Personally, I'd like it if you dropped it to TT3 - would that be thematic?

Tabitha Smith: Pretty potent mutant, pretty basic, looks like fun, not much to say. I'm not sure I like that commons subtract 3 from their defence against her SA, though - it feels like she's bullying an already rarely used section of superscape a bit too much. It'd be better at subtract 2, IMO.

Monica Rambeau: Looking good - until we hit Nextwave Squad. Far too potent for an open-ended leader power. You'll need to tone it down, change the mechanic, or find a way to tie Nextwave together and make it work for just them. Some people may complain about 4 powers, but again, I like it. Just please tone down that power.

The Captain: Wow! Beefy stats! Kick! looks silly and lots of fun, so I love it! Other than that, with his really high stats plus Impenetrable Skin and Flight, it really wouldn't surprise me to see this guy at 350+ - he might not end up that high, but it really wouldn't surprise me. He's certainly somewhere in the 300s right now. I don't know him, so that might be thematic, but I thought I'd point it out - if you don't want him that high, he'll probably need toning down.

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In general, your new stuff could probably use some tweaks in places, but is looking really good.

Lazy Orang, kinda in response to your stuff. Elsa Bloodstone comes from a family of European monster hunters "Do you think this letter on my chest stands for America!" Some of her stuff is genetics, but a portion of the power comes from the Bloodgem. Range comes from the fact that she has carried two Uzi's (I personally think her range should be the machine guns special and her normal attack be melee). Her stats are good aside from that imo.

Machine Man is pretty good.

Same with Tabitha.

Monica has a copy-paste error where you left Living Laser in the text power. Not sure how you would change that leadership power, but as the FF shows, taking multiple turns can be broken, you did try and balance by making it move or attack, but it can still bring the pain.

The captain is good also.

My one question that applies to all of them, is why does everyone have Flying? Monica and the Captain can fly, and Tabitha has the Jetpack, but I don't remember Machine Man and Elsa flying at all (it's been a little while since I read it though, I think 2012). Did you just assume they'd be using their ship to travel? I'm just curious.

[Tornado]

So from high ground Elsa can attack Huge figures twice with 8 attack dice from Range 6?

Nextwave Squad will never be accepted as-is. It would easily make Rambeau the best figure in C3G.

[Lazy Orang]

She's a magically enhanced human, about a vampire level strength, she also carries around a ton of guns so, yeah the range.

Are her guns really strength 5 attack, though? It takes a lot to justify a normal attack of 5 from range.

If you look at the wording I used, I changed it so that he can only attack 2 additional times, and can add 2 to his range. I did however forget to change the name so.....Whoops!

Ooops, mea culpa! I didn't read the power because I thought I knew it off the power name. Yeah, I really like him.

That's the point seriously though, these guys constantly brutalize creatures that would definitely be commons in scape (human resources broccoli men, koala bears of death, homicide crabs, the mindless ones....etc) infact almost all of them could be capable of brutalizing commons`except The Captain.......

Yeah, but with - 2 and AoE that's already going to be crushing commons - subtracting 3 is just overkill.
Also, are all those things you listed real.

I had to leave it open ended like that because all of these guys have so many different species, classes, and personalities that going any of those routes wouldn't work. moving or attacking with 3 of these guys however might be too much, even though it's thematically accurate, and there's precedent in groups like the warriors three, or the wrecking crew.

The Wrecking Crew is randomised and on a small selection of primarily melee bruisers. The Warriors Three are all melee so it's tricky to set up. Odin and Mr. Fantastic are both randomised and faction specific. This is not randomised and works with everyone - attacking with the whole Warriors Three might not be a problem, but taking a turn where you're attacking with Punisher, Silver Surfer and Merlyn almost certainly will. All this girl needs is a few ranged powerhouses to clean house.

Nope, that's right!

Then he's great!

Originally Posted by Tornado

So from high ground Elsa can attack Huge figures twice with 8 attack dice from Range 6?

Nextwave Squad will never be accepted as-is. It would easily make Rambeau the best figure in C3G.

Crap! I forgot that Silver Weapons had double attack! That makes her more potent, ore interesting, and, right now, very broken. Her range needs to go and just be put in her SA.

[laughing matter]

I made some edits to my response to LO because I screwed up on account of the fact that I'm doing this on my phone in a car. I will however say it again. All of the nextwave squad wear flight harnesses, but Elsa and Aaron really don't NEED flying and thinking it over, I would rather they didn't fly, and Elsas range was to represent the fact that she carries so many guns without being a punisher expy. Also I'll fix the copy paste errors. Thanks

[quozl]

Those look nice, lm. Run some (more?) playtests and join C3G!