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Old March 26th, 2011, 12:23 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

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I just realized a funny thing about this power now that it is an attack die being rolled and not a D20, you might as well roll two attack dice to begin with since the opponent can't roll defense dice - it would be the exact same thing.
No, because the second roll is dependent on getting a skull on the first one. Its like if you had two combat dice, one black and one white, and the white one only counted if the black one came up a skull. However, most people only have the white combat dice and not any flag bearer dice so its a moot point. Currently, you don't even get to roll the second one unless you get a skull on the first one.
OK, it isn't the "exact same thing" but it is only "just barely" different. I am not liking it though, at all. It seems extremely redundant and honestly, kinda silly once you realize how similar it is to just rolling two dice.
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Old March 26th, 2011, 09:05 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

Lots to catch up with here, but my main concern is that this thread exists ... Nick Fury is a proxy, so I understand having that thread open with two others, but you already have Multiple Man and Gambit active, so why a third here?
I'm going to lock this thread until one of those is wrapped up.

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Old March 27th, 2011, 09:51 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

Since Nick Fury is on hold now, I'm reopening this. Still, none of this tap dancing in the future. Once we get through all of these proxies, it's 2 LDs at a time for all of us unless we vote to make it more!

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Old March 27th, 2011, 11:39 AM
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

Sorry Griff told me I could. Anyways I had a cool idea.

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Re: The Book of Black Widow

I like this.

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Nice and simple. I like it too.
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

Good stuff. I'm in favor.

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Re: The Book of Black Widow

OP updated.

There was a comment in Captain America's thread about her not being human? I think she should remain human for synergy purposes unless it's totally a theme break.
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Old March 27th, 2011, 11:34 PM
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Re: The Book of Black Widow

I'm really hoping someone who knows Cap better than I do will respond to that one ... I basically posted it for discussion.

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Re: The Book of Black Widow

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OP updated.

There was a comment in Captain America's thread about her not being human? I think she should remain human for synergy purposes unless it's totally a theme break.
It seems there aren't any humans in the Marvel universe. We made the decision to go this route we will have to stick to it unless somebody has proof otherwise.

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Old March 28th, 2011, 12:04 AM
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The Black Widow has been enhanced by biotechnology that makes her body resistant to aging and disease and heals at an above human rate;[volume & issue needed] as well as psychological conditioning that suppresses her memory of true events as opposed to implanted ones of the past without the aid of specially designed system suppressant drugs, attempts to do so result in extreme biological reactions, indicated as vomiting and black-outs
Yep, sure sounds like a Mutate to me.

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Re: The Book of Black Widow

I'm really not trying to butt in, just trying to help. For what it's worth, this is from Marvel Comic Database:

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Artificially Enhanced Physiology: Natasha has received the Red Room's variant of the Super-Soldier Serum. As a result, many of her body's physical capabilities have been heightened to the peak of human capability.
Peak Human Strength: Her physical strength is heightened to a level that is beyond the natural physical limits of a woman of her height, weight and build. She is capable of lifting up to 500 lbs.
Peak Human Speed: Her speed is also enhanced to the peak of human capability. Natasha is as fast as a human can be without being classified as superhuman.
Peak Human Agility: Natasha's natural agility is heightened to the peak of human capability. She is as agile as a human being can be without being classified as superhuman.
Peak Human Reflexes: Her reaction time is similarly enhanced and functions with the peak of human efficiency and capability.
Peak Human Durability: Natasha's bodily tissues have been augmented to the pinnacle of human development. Though she can be injured in the typical ways other humans can be, she is as physically tough as a human being can be without being classified as superhuman.
Peak Human Senses: Her five senses are enhanced and function at peak of human perfection.
Peak Human Immune System: While she is susceptible to disease like all other ordinary humans, her ability to resist and recover from them is heightened to the peak of human capability.
Extended Longevity: The Super-Soldier serum variant has also extended her lifespan by dramatically slowing her natural aging process. Although she is almost 70 years old, she has the youthful appearance and vitality of a woman in the physical prime of her life.

Abilities

Master Martial Artist: Natasha is an expert in the field of martial arts. She has mastered karate, judo, aikido, savate, boxing, and multiple styles of kung fu.
Expert Acrobat: She is an Olympic class athlete, gymnast, acrobat and aerialist capable of many difficult feats.
Expert Marksman: Natasha is a very accurate marksman skilled in sharpshooting and knife throwing.
Multilingual: She is fluent in Russian, English, French, German, Chinese, and various other languages.
Graceful Dancer: Natasha is a profound ballet dancer.
Expert Tactician: She is a very effective strategist, tactician, and field commander. She has lead the Avengers and even SHIELD on one occasion.
Talented Hacker: Natasha can hack into most computer systems without tripping any firewalls or security.
Master Seductress: She is an expert in the field of seduction. Natasha has been infamously known to bend many different men to her will and sometimes even get them to do her bidding for her. Hawkeye and Iron Man are two examples and living proof of this. She sometimes continues deceiving certain men through means of acting if she still has a further use for them.
Expert Spy: Natasha is a dangerous secret agent trained in espionage, stealth, disguise, infiltration, and demolitions. Her talents and years of experience have enabled her to reach a high ranking as an agent of SHIELD.
Weaknesses

Though the serum has kept her in her physical prime, it's effects on her body have made pregnancy impossible without taking immuno-suppressants.
Equipment

Costume Specifications: Synthetic stretch fabric which has been augmented to be highly resistant to damage even small arms fire and high temperatures. Microscopic suction cups on her costume allow her to scale walls and cling to ceilings, just as her namesake.
Transportation

Natasha uses her Widow's Line, a grappling hook with a retractable line, to swing along rooftops for increased mobility. Avenger's Quinjets. Assorted S.H.I.E.L.D. aircraft.
Weapons

Personal Weaponry: The Black Widow's wrist cartridges contain various tools of the spy trade: tear-gas pellets, a radio transmitter and spring-loaded cable.
Special Weaponry: Various automatic weapons and firearms, combat knives and explosives as needed. She also uses a device often referred to as the Widow's Bite that is capable of emitting highly potent electric shocks with a maximum of about 30,000 volts.
Also, I'm looking at my Black Widow #1 from Jun 2010 (I also have up to #8 of that series and the Widow Maker 4 part series with Black Widow, Hawkeye and Mockingbird). They show a flashback in issue #4 it shows her with a Russian soldier in WWII hiding from some German soldiers.

At the end of issue #1, they have background on Black Widow "The Early Years". As an infant in 1928, she was found in the rubble of a blown-out, burning building and taken to safety by Ivan Petrovich. Ten years later Stalin himself took her from Ivan and turned her over to the spy Taras Romanoff. He'd convinced her that he was her father and took her too his school of spy/self-defense/ knifeplay and information trading. There she met a would-be drifter of by the name Logan, from whom she learned hand-to-hand combat, tracking and no-holds-barred martial arts. But then she learned about love and betrayal as Taras was really going to assassinate Logan, but Logan killed him first.

She was found again by Ivan Petrovich, and being barely a teenager, she was proficient in spy craft and assassination skills as was proven by her mission to kill the leader of the ninja clan the Hand, the Jonin, in 1941 in Madripoor. She also found herself allied with Captain America and would run into Logan again during the war.

Later, at some point she fell under the sway of Lyudmila Kudrin, a Soviet Scientist and svengali of the Black Widow program. Along with many other orphaned girls, Natasha received an intense regimen of biology-enhancing chemicals -not unlike America's Super Soldier Serum, that gave her and extra-human immune system and heightened endurance levels.

Berlin, 1956: Natasha and her loyal caretaker Ivan were victims of a savage beating. With Ivan near death, they were both given the gift of a life-prolonging chemical from the Russian agent, Winter Soldier (Buckey Barnes). Shortly after, her and Barnes became lovers.

There's more, but I figured that the above spoke to the point of her being somewhat augmented. You guys can decide whichever direction you want to go in that regard, but I just thought I'd offer some insight for that decision since there was such a big deal made previously in the human/mutate/mutant thing.

Also, in issue #3, she goes toe to toe with Elektra to a draw when Elektra thinks Black Widow has been spying on her and letting out secrets.

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