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#891
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I commented in the Wrecker thread about this. Correct, he can't use it if he is engaged, but "technically", he could use it on a friendly figure that he was adjacent to, and thus himself be affected as well. I mean sure it would put him and his teammate at risk of demo damage, but it would allow them to be placed up to 2 spaces away, and since it doesn't have a height restriction, they could be placed on great height by using this in a cheesy fashion. This use wasn't the intent at all and really meant to bring enemy figures on height down to Wrecker's level, or even if they are at the same level, to bounce them somewhere else and maybe a demo wound. So the change that I would have for Wrecker is to have him choose an opponent's figure up to 2 spaces away. This way he couldn't be affected because he couldn't be engaged to an opponent's figure that could be chosen, and he wouldn't be able to chose an adjacent friendly figure that would allow him to be affected. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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#894
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I think the confusion is that, at least based on what I was saying, the power doesn't always need to specify either way. Only when it breaks the general rule. Otherwise, it is assumed that the general rule applies.
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But it’s not that difficult to imagine a scenario where a player would want to do this. Suppose Comedian is represented by Drake below (I’ve certainly found myself hemmed in like this plenty of times) and wants to flame all three enemies. Sure, he’s risking damage to himself, but depending upon the game state it’s probably worth it. Seems like a valid, non-silly scenario to me. So why not have the game text say what the intent is, have it be consistent with other units, and follow the rule that has apparently been developed for just this kind of situation? Will do. Quote:
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#896
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In a Straight Line from a Targeted Figure - a figure itself *can* be "in a straight line from" the targeted figure, so powers that affect figures in a straight line from the targeted figure *do* need to specify whether the figure itself is affected or not.Comedian is, of course, in that situation. The only way I can see to make Comedian an exception is if you want to create yet another category of effects that is parallel to the ones you already listed but for some reason has a different rule. I'm not sure what the purpose for that would be, other than to have an excuse to make the texts inconsistent? Honestly I don't understand the resistance to just following the rule that was (apparently) already created. It's not my rule; heck, I didn't even know about it until today! I'm just saying that since a convention does exist, it should be followed. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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#897
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Yeah, you're right. I should've written that to say it only needs to specify if it violates the general rule. While I don't think it would necessarily hurt to be explicit all the times, card space for powers is usually at a premium.
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#898
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Yeah, Idt Greyowl was trying to state an official rule or C3G standard. I think he was just trying to help clarify.
In regard to Comedian, as it stands right now, I'd let him flame his enemies and himself as there is nothing on the card to state otherwise. To add a line on the card stating that Comedian is affected by his flamethrower attack seems redundant, imo. Imo, Storm is another matter. Whether or not a change is needed is dependent upon what the intent is. Thematically, it wouldn't bother me either way. As it stands now, I'd allow Storm to be affected ... plus, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Griffin purposely designed the power to be able to do precisely that. Last edited by Hellfire; January 9th, 2015 at 10:33 PM. Reason: Disjointed Edit; Archaic irrelevancy. |
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A3n, I think now this must be why you have been saying "no change" on Comedian. You're saying that yes, he can continue to be allowed to flame himself, and as this is the default his text is already complete. Seems fine to me. The reason why we had been on such different pages is that I was working from the understanding that it HAD to be specified either way, based on what others had suggested/agreed with earlier. I was not arguing that Comedian should be exempt; I just thought he needed an explicit statement one way or the other since he fit the template. So, long story short, I think this is all converging now. We just had a misunderstanding about the nature of default behavior. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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I think with all of these examples being thrown out in this thread, it becomes difficult to keep certain things straight and thus perhaps there are some inconsistent answers. Regarding Wrecker: Not a mind reader as to why he was mentioned. So it was eventually figured out. As to core design principles and whatnot. Keep in mind that those of us that have worked 100's or 1,000's of hours on this project since it's inception, are not professional designers and working full time at it. We've worked late into the night or early in the morning before work to do this. We also didn't do like 6 designs a year where we can spend billions of hours looking at it from every which way but loose. If we've been guilty of anything, it's been that we are too close to the design and know the intent and perhaps don't see it in another light. The designs are done collectively and so while we can catch things here and there with different sets of eyes, some things may be missed. There are also things like theme, bonding, power level, appropriate costs and testing to consider. So if you count the number of designs in the Books of Index, there are quite a few. Many, if not most of them are more complex than Classic units are. I realize that you are trying to help JaB and are coming up with some great suggestions and it's appreciated. But I just wanted to point out that we aren't/weren't perfect. We did our best and put a lot of our valuable time into this project. We didn't take it lightly, but are not perfect. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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