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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
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2 activations, as PK said, is hot garbage because it's just bonding which is weaker both on power level and theme. I couldn't care less if "we" made him work with Common Lawmen because it complicates the wording way too much and there are enough Uniques to make it work right now and any future Uniques only make things more interesting (and yes everyone's aware C3V is working on a Common Lawman). Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
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I expect that your intent was merely to offer a collaboration, but when taken in tandem with your design feedback it reads an awful lot like an imposition from the C3V. It's difficult to tell what parts of what you are saying are personal critiques or official C3V offers or suggestions. I hope you understand why I find that lack of clarity concerning. |
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
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Is it OK for a C3V design to be pulled out of C3V and submitted as an SoV unit? Honestly it seems strange to me. What are the limits to this? If I don't like the direction a C3V design is headed, can I submit a modified version of it with a different mini as a SoV submission? Is that OK? Again, I get why this happened; this concept has been stalled for a long time. But it was actually getting momentum recently, and it's honestly a bit bewildering to have this come up now. |
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
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Seems like the best thing for the health of the game, and the benefit of the remaining player base, is to let all the tracks take their best shot, and see what comes of it. Ultimately, a great design is what everyone wants, regardless of whether Process A or Process B is what produces it. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
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Every time it's brought up, it gets shot down. Jake Slaughter was supposed to be the lawman synergy. That got changed. I brought up the new western figures in the cowboy thread, no movement on there. I didn't take anything from the C3V because there wasn't anything there to take. |
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Sam Sixkiller was designed ten years ago. C3V started working on Jake Slaughter seven years ago. They had seven years to make a ten year old design work. They chose to shoot it down at every opportunity instead. They failed. Miserably. I'm sorry their current attempt at Lawmen synergy is embarrassing by comparison with Clayton, but C3V has no right whatsoever to act like this is their property in any way, shape, or form.
If this is what the C3V/SoV has become, it's time for VC to end and be replaced with something better. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
I don't think anybody is claiming that there's been some major breach of C3V protocol here.
I for one am excited to see this design progress in y'all's hands. |
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This is where such a unit started. C3V may have been trying their hand at it at some point, but it's not their property. This contains seven years of failure in the form of actively sabotaging the public's desires. Quote:
To be clear, we welcome feedback to help make Clayton the best unit he can be. But this is not C3V's custom. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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I brought it up the history because AYP basically called me out for meddling and (innocently, I imagine) asking why C3V would have claim on this design. The reason is because variants in this design have been being kicked around in C3V for years. He asked, I answered. Moreover, I tried to get this design concept going again in C3V recently, and I honestly think it was going to come through this time, but I was shut down specifically because people said I shouldn't step on this design out in the public. Which... I mean, it's ironic at least, right? Quote:
Now you're not really suggesting that it would be OK for someone in C3V to just rip off an in-progress design and submit a mildly modified version for SoV. And that's not what happened here. This is a unique situation. Quote:
Now, you're free to say "too bad, don't care, they had their chance" (and NB, whose history with this fight goes way, way back, has fair reason to feel that way), but that's a far cry from saying this design doesn't have any place in C3V. You were very careful in your wording when you said the design doesn't exist, but you know full well it's in discussion. And once again, let's call a spade a spade. If this concept can't get through C3V, then it very likely can't get through SoV, which requires Unified Fanscape Review. The reason you're pushing on submitting to SoV is the same reason I was pushing to get the concept moving again in C3V - because we all can sense that times and attitudes have shifted and this can get approved, at long last. For my part, I have always liked the idea, always pushed for it, and am happy that things are moving. I don't think it's fair to hold the sins of C3V past against the current roster of C3V participants, who are broadly more amenable to this design. I also acknowledge that this design has roots that run even deeper than C3V's origin, the better part of a decade ago. I also think the OM management of this design is a bit wooden and needs some re-thinking, so if you guys are willing to roll up your sleeves and do some workshopping instead of dismissing my suggestions, I'm all up for that. |
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Then please feel free to continue to do so. It is welcome; see also the end of this post.
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Also as far as I'm aware, the timing is coincidental. The right mini just happened to become available for Clayton, but a C3V design could've happened at any time in the last seven years. Quote:
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If I didn't have other games in the way at the moment, I'm looking forward to playtesting Clayton some more. He's fun, he's different, and it's refreshing that he does those things without trying to push a new top-tier army. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Re: PK's customs MK. III - 12/11 - LEAD VENGEANCE 2
Like NB said: we’re nit closed to suggestions. This version is the result of feeedback from the last one. We’re completely open to a more “interesting” or better type of synergy/OM management, but chances are we did discuss it in the discord. This is probably the fourth major version of Clayton. A lot of them never leave the chat channel because we find problems with them in testing. Right now this works, and works really well. If you can suggest a better version, our ears are very open.
I know you feel strongly about this, dok, and that enthusiasm is something we appreciate. I will push back a little and say that, even if the C3V is more amenable to cowboy synergy now (which you’re probably right) nothing was being actively discussed. |
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