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Old October 8th, 2022, 06:12 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

They sound super tempting to run with range. Nabbing height with the soul guides and then steadily teleporting into position will be quite powerful. I'd also be tempted to use them with low move melee like Cathar or Sacred Band. Obviously I'm aware you're only teleporting 1 figure in at a time but if it's halfway across the map and onto height... it could be quite powerful.

I don't think it's gamebreaking in reality but it is unique and interesting and something I'd want to try.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

An alternative is to allow placement next to "another Soul Guide you control", so even when the first one is destroyed that last one still has some utility.


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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

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An alternative is to allow placement next to "another Soul Guide you control", so even when the first one is destroyed that last one still has some utility.
Feels less thematic and intuitive, but I wouldn't be completely against trying it if they proved weak/frustrating in testing because their ability turns off once one dies.

However, I'll also point out that 2A and 6/7D are respectable stats when combined with Stealth Flying. That's just a very powerful ability and I could see a single Guide doing some decent work in cleanup if the first one dies early.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

6 or 7 defense is definitely a lot, and it makes the teleporter power more palatable. I'd be willing to experiment with that and even 1 attack, to make their roles clearer. I'd also be fine with the same-guide teleport; it doesn't feel any less thematic to me given that the guides are presumably capable of leading spirits individually as well. I'd lean towards testing it without that first, though.

I do wonder if we might hit a critical mass with movement powers. We have a healthy dose of special movement in the box already, and the revival power was at least some form of synergy with the disparate unique heroes (though of course, since only one player could take them at a time, that isn't necessarily a good thing). Not saying that we shouldn't change the power set here, just trying to keep a pulse on the broader box.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

Yes, revival and movement are two themes we are/will be hitting on a bunch. I think it's fine to have a few of each, as long as we don't go overboard with either. (Also, AoA pending, revival felt like a fitting theme amid the set IMO.)


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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

I would say that with this being pod 0, and the most important bit to get across the finish line, we shouldn't worry too much about overcrowding the set. Maybe as we get closer to the end; that's just my 2c
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

I propose we update the OP with the below and then move to Editing:
HONORED SOUL GUIDES

Species Undead
Unique Squad
Class Guides
Personality Stoic
SIZE HEIGHT Medium 5

LIFE 1 (2 figures)
MOVE 5 / BASIC 7
RANGE 1 / BASIC 1
ATTACK 2 / BASIC 2
DEFENSE 6 / BASIC 7

POINTS 50

JOURNEY THROUGH THE SPIRIT WORLD

Once per turn, when a figure you control moves adjacent to a Soul Guide while moving normally, you may place that figure adjacent to a Soul Guide you control. That figure may then continue its movement. Figures moved by Journey Through the Spirit World never take leaving engagement attacks.

STEALTH FLYING
When counting spaces for an Honored Soul Guide's movement, ignore elevations. An Honored Soul Guide may fly over water without stopping, pass over figures without becoming engaged, and fly over obstacles such as ruins. If an Honored Soul Guide is engaged when it starts to fly, it will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

That draft looks good to me (although Soul Guide shouldn't be hyphenated in the Stealth Flying power)
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design

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I propose we update the OP with the below and then move to Editing:
HONORED SOUL GUIDES

Species Undead
Unique Squad
Class Guides
Personality Stoic
SIZE HEIGHT Medium 5

LIFE 1 (2 figures)
MOVE 5 / BASIC 7
RANGE 1 / BASIC 1
ATTACK 2 / BASIC 2
DEFENSE 6 / BASIC 7

POINTS 50

JOURNEY THROUGH THE SPIRIT WORLD

Once per turn, when a figure you control moves adjacent to a Soul Guide while moving normally, you may place that figure adjacent to a Soul Guide you control. That figure may then continue its movement. Figures moved by Journey Through the Spirit World never take leaving engagement attacks.

STEALTH FLYING
When counting spaces for an Honored Soul Guide's movement, ignore elevations. An Honored Soul Guide may fly over water without stopping, pass over figures without becoming engaged, and fly over obstacles such as ruins. If an Honored Soul Guide is engaged when it starts to fly, it will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
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Well I think this proposal passes. @NecroBlade please update the OP and move this thread to Editing. Or whatever the next step is; I forget our exact process for AotV.

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