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Re: The Book of Cathar Spearmen
I'm okay with the idea of a restricted list, but my list would look a bit different or at least have different rules than the one above. I've taken Q10, KA, & KMA to a tourney before and even though each of them is pretty good they still get owned by Stinger x6 and the like. Don't know why you feel the need to prevent someone from running an all unique card army with no bonding. Then placing the dragons and their bonding squad on the list seems like an unjust punishment to them. Common squads that have open bonding with multiple heroes seem more terrifying that a common squad that can bond with exactly one hero.
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This is the list that is used in SoCal. I don't know how they came up with it or how well it works for them.
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It really should be connected to the local metagame. Such a thing would be totally useless and weird in Baltimore, where we don't have this issue at all. But I know they use one, or used one for a long time, in the DFW events. It's just something developed by the locals.
Heroscape itself doesn't need this. It's a cure searching for a disease. But if your own local meta is getting tired of repetition, then do stuff like this. It's you tournament, make it something your people will want to attend. |
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Re: The Book of Cathar Spearmen
A restricted list has its time and place. Not my cup of coffee, though.
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I think it's worked pretty well. Prior to the restricted list, if you dared to bring any even remotely creative army, you were just steamrolled by these same old armies over and over, and the people didn't even have to try hard to do it. And the final matches would always come down to practically mirror images of armies fighting themselves/each other. I mean, I already find tournament games somewhat boring, and this just exacerbated the whole situation. Nowadays, our tournaments are a lot more fun, IMHO. I suppose some people think tournaments are not supposed to be fun—that they're deadly serious competition or whatnot—but no one in our group has made that argument. Quote:
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I can get behind a restricted list. I've not played enough to feel that way yet, but God willing someday will. Seems like a simple way to keep army builds from becoming stagnant.
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Do not implement something like this unless your local meta actually needs it, is my suggestion. If your local people are bringing the same armies over and over, then go ahead with it. But don't do it if you don't need to. My 2 cents. |
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I think for the most part it depends on how competitive your area is. Playing tournaments for tons of games you always find the group of people who play whatever off the Wall thing they want and try to do their best. Then you have the people who will play the absolute best thing in order to have the best chance at winning it all. Once the latter groups becomes all encompassing or at least the majority of the playerbase a restricted list like this is needed.
It’s been years since I’ve played a ton of scape and have only played a few games since getting back in. My friend and I who are pretty competitive will likely use this list to figure out competitive and then implement it to prevent us from abusing only the good units. Granted we probably have 50-100 games before we would get tired of competitive. At least using the CUC rats. |
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GenCon has survived all these years without a Restricted List. The DFW area started using one, and I would never presume to second-guess those guys on their decisions for their local scene, but if GenCon can survive without one, then your local group likely can, too.
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Of course! Every scene has its own formats that it prefers. As it should be! We have our own different formats that we use, too! To my mind, that is quite different from posting one list for all events and saying "your armies may never be so-and-so." Mixing formats is one thing; making rules like this is quite another.
As I wrote repeatedly in the thread linked in my signature block about running your own tournaments, do whatever works best for your local tournaments. Make the rules, use the formats, that get people to attend your events. I wouldn't lightly encourage the use of Restricted lists because I think it's a sledgehammer of a solution, but if there's anybody who knows about running tournaments it's the DFW guys. They are doing what's right for them and so they should. For me, I've never thought such a thing was needed here, where I am. And none has ever been used at GenCon, and most other places don't use them either. Doesn't mean that other things aren't used to mix up formats, but no long-term army restrictions. |
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